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Apr-14-19 | | Scuvy: Hastings 1922 was a 6-master event: Alekhine, Rubinstein, Bogolyubov, Thomas, Tarrasch and Yates. I also remember the photo in the tournament book. |
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Apr-28-20
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Page 518 November 1978 BCM states that a 1928 issue of Tidskrift did a report on the Moscow (1925) tournament won by Bogoljubov ahead of Lasker and Capablanca. For political reasons Bogoljubov's name was not mentioned! *** |
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Apr-28-20
 | | MissScarlett: What is <Tidskrift> when its at home? Was Bogo simply referred to as <The Fat One> or some such? |
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Apr-28-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
if you search the Kibitizing 'Tidskrift' is mentioned a few times by the Historians - possibly 'Tidskrift in Schach' but BCM only say Tidskrift. My post is a follow up to a question from Perfidious. World Championship Candidates (2020) (kibitz #1756) and the two posts below. *** |
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Apr-28-20 | | fabelhaft: <Page 518 November 1978 BCM states that a 1928 issue of Tidskrift did a report on the Moscow (1925) tournament won by Bogoljubov ahead of Lasker and Capablanca. For political reasons Bogoljubov's name was not mentioned!> I think what is referred to is a short article in German by Yakov Geraisimovich Rokhlin that is about chess in the Soviet Union after the revolution and can be found at page 153 here: https://tfsarkiv.schack.se/pdf/1928... It has one paragraph on Moscow 1925, mentioning Lasker, Capablanca etc but not Bogo. It does mention Bogo in both paragraphs above it, though, as winner of the Soviet Championships 1924 and 1925. |
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Apr-28-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Thanks fabelhaft,
So maybe nothing sinister. A slip by the Rokhin. The article from BCM is linking it to Korchnoi's defection and what are historians going to do in future years. Will they ignore all the Russian Championships and other things he won. Of course they had no idea back then that the Wall would come down and things would change. Always felt a bit sorry for Bogoljubov. He is mainly remembered for being Alekhine's whipping boy used to duck Capablanca and of course Bogoljubov vs Alekhine, 1922 but he played some great games and if he had put away the won games a below par Alekhine gave him in the 2nd match he could have been the World Champion. Though i suspect Alekhine would have gone up a few gears if Bogo took the lead. But the warning signs were there, Even Alekhine says the games were of a poor standard, and Euwe knocked Alekhine over the following year. Bogoljubov the world champion. One wonders how the Soviets would have reported that one? *** |
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Apr-28-20
 | | MissScarlett: Are you implying that the <BCM> was an asset of MI6? |
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Apr-28-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi MissScarlett,
Not implying - stating it as a fact.
It is well known that 'Quotes and Queries' hid codes and secret messages for our agents (spies) abroad. Q & Q No.34687 hid the message to tell James Bond where Dr. No was. To save you looking it up it reads:
DR. No is on an island in the Crab Keys region 30 miles north of Jamaica. True!
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Apr-28-20 | | Captain Hindsight: So it's once again <<BCM> Fake News> |
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Apr-28-20
 | | perfidious: Have never been clear on events of Bogo's life in one aspect: when exactly was he PNG'd by the Soviets? The regime would hardly have been likely to have allowed Bogoljubov to play at the great Moscow event in late 1925 if he had been in their bad books, so I am confused. My recollection is that he returned to Germany in 1926, married and sometime afterwards, became persona non grata. |
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Apr-28-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
Hi Perfidious.
From Hooper and Whyld in The Oxford Companion to Chess they say he entered this Berlin (1926) won it and failed to return home. He was branded a traitor and not rehabilitated till 25 years after his death. (about 1977 - round about the time Korchnoi defected - perhaps they were doing a 'one out, one back in' routine.) *** |
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Apr-28-20
 | | perfidious: <Geoff>, even some former enemies of the state were rehabilitated not too many years after Stalin bought the farm; this is baffling. |
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Apr-28-20
 | | Sally Simpson: ***
I think it was because they way Bogo left the USSR and stayed and played for Germany. But if he won the title in 1934 then I'm sure the Soviet public would have heard a lot more about him. (maybe like most of us they could not spell his name so said; 'sod it, let's erase him.') *** |
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Jun-04-20 | | Jeff Popp: Sorry folks, but the time for asking questions of Bogo's niece (my mother) are over. She died in March of 2017, but lost all memory of him to Alzheimers nearly a year earlier. |
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Jun-04-20 | | jith1207: <Jeff Popp>:
sorry to hear that, may she rest in peace. |
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Sep-09-20 | | Jean Defuse: ...
Efim Bogoljubow, Caissa 1952
 click for larger view<White mate in 3...> ... |
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Mar-18-21
 | | MissScarlett: April 14 (New Style) is given as Bogo's date of birth here, at Wikipedia, by Gaige and in Soloviov's <Bogoljubow - The Fate of a Chess Player>, but if he was born April 1st 1889 (O.S) as indicated by https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... wouldn't that make his birthday, April 13th? |
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Mar-18-21 | | Jean Defuse: ...
Looks like that 13th is correct.
His signature is <Ewfim Bogoljubow> and not <Efim Bogoljubov> - To write his name right, he'd have had better a quick look at chessgames.com ... ... |
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Mar-18-21
 | | MissScarlett: He's best known in these parts as <Bogo the Clown>. |
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Nov-29-21 | | login:
The mentioned bio 'portrait' was cropped out of his official wedding photograph showing the married couple all dolled up. With a commanding groom posing in the 'middle' of his life.
'.. In 1918, the Russian players were freed, and they all left [Germany], except one – Bogoljubov, who was "captured for eternity" by Frau Frieda Kaltenbach,
the daughter of the local schoolmaster. They got married in 1920 and later
had two daughters, Sonja and Tamara. ..'
from 'The Creative Power of Bogoljubov Volume I' by Grigory Bogdanovich, 2020
The entire photograph can be found e.g. in the greatly enjoyable book mentioned above.
Unrelated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJl...
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Nov-29-21
 | | MissScarlett: Does Bogdanovich weigh in on Bogo's D.O.B. or is it all about the games? |
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May-18-22 | | Petrosianic: Bogo's Bio here states: <After World War II, he only played in a few tournaments. FIDE first awarded the International Grandmaster title in 1950, but denied the title to Bogoljubov because they claimed he had been an ardent supporter of Hitler. FIDE awarded him the title the following year.> Information about Bogo's post-war career is sketchy, but from what I've turned up, it appears that his postwar difficulties had more to do with what he did in the 1920's than what he did in the 1940's. First of all, FIDE cleared him of any wartime wrongdoing in 1947. <Bogoljubow, the German master, had applied in 1946 for a clean bill of health so that he might again participate in internatonal tournaments. His conduct during the war years was carefully checked by a special committee. After hearing that committee's report, the [FIDE General] Assembly decided that no action was in order and left it to the discretion of each organizing committee whether or not to invite Boboljubow.> -- Chess Life, August 20, 1947 Fedor Bohatirchuk in Chess Life, 2/20/51, criticizes the inaugural list of IM's and GM's for including people he'd never heard of, but leaving Bogoljubov off, for no specific reason he mentions. He does criticize a rule that allows the FIDE Commission of Qualification to withhold the granting of a title on the grounds of conduct", but doesn't specifically tie this to Bogo. When Bogo did finally get the GM title, Chess Life makes it clear that it had been the Eastern bloc standing in the way. <GRANDMASTERS: It was finally agreed to recognize Bogoljubow as a grandmaster by 13 votes to 8 with 5 abstaining. Jugoslavia supported the motion but the other communistic countries voted against recognizing Bogoljubow.> -- Chess Life 9/20/51 If Bogo had been pro-Hitler, East and West would have both been against him. Is there anything apart from the war that the East might have had against him? Well yes, of course Bogo had been a Soviet player at one time, and 2-time Soviet Champion before leaving for Germany in the 20's. A footnote on page 5 of Chess Life 10/5/1951, mentions that "Bogo's Treachery" in leaving the Soviet Union for Germany was resented much more even than Alekhine's departure: <N.D. Grigoriev's statement that "Alekhine in 1922 when he was Champion of the RSFSR (there was no Soviet Union yet at that time) went abroad legally in order to participate in the international tournament in London" is obviously incorrect; incidentally, this preface is one of the very few really vitriolic utterainces against Alekhine in a Soviet publication; Bogoljubow's "treachery" was resented much more - also his name was dropped from the roster of contributors to Grekov's magazine "Shakhmaty" as early as January 1927, while Alekhine's name was not suppressed until April 1928 and even then not silently (as in Bogoljubow's case)...> |
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May-18-22 | | Petrosianic: [Continued]
Bohatirchuk again, who seems to have known Bogo fairly well, completely dispels the idea of his being pro-Hitler <Truly, it was necessary only to have a short conversation with Bogoljubow in order to know that he was in the [Nazi] party only with the aim of disguising himself and saving his daughters from mobilization. He told me how difficult it was, even with a Nazi membership in his pocket. So far as I know, Bogoljubov never accepted Nazi ideology, was anti-Hitler, and never approved of the cruel practices of this madman.I remember that at the time of the Radom tournament, he succeeded in getting good radio reception. After the round, we sat around it the whole evening and listened to the information from neutral stations. I had never suspected before that the military situation of Nazi Germany was so bad. Bogoljubov laughed at my naive surprise and said that the end of Hitler was very near. ... After the Allied victory I did not hear about Bogoljubov for two years. Later on, I learned he had some difficulties in clearing himself in a denazification board. Finally he was screened and allowed chess activity. I was very glad because I knew very well how far Bogoljubov had been from any political activity, especially on the side of Hitler. Bogoljubov was very greatly offended by the refusal of FIDE (this time dominated by the Soviet delegation) to recognize him as a grandmaster and to allow him to participate in international tournaments (a decision which was cancelled only in 1951). In vain I tried to explain the obvious reasons for this decision - such injustice he could not accept. "Ask everybody in Germany - let anybody prove my adherence to the Nazis for other than formal reasons, and I will obey, but now it is clear that the only reason is the revenge of the Soviets." This refusal hurt him financially because it took away one of the sources of his earnings.> -- Chess Life 7/20/52. Other than this, there is very little about Bogo in the pages of either Chess Life or Chess Review in the 40's. They talk about his old games, and a few of his recent ones, but not a word about any political activity. It looks like he didn't do much during those years except play chess and lie low. |
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May-18-22 | | Petrosianic: Sorry, Bogo was actually a 3-time Soviet Champion, not 2. I was forgetting his match with Romanovsky. Looks like there may have been a lot more post-war Bogo games than appear in the database. There's only one game (a defeat from the Flensburg tournament, which he won. Only one game (a draw) from the West German Championship he won. Only two games out of, I think 11 from the Staunton Memorial. Chess Review described this time as being very active: <His career continued very active after the second match with Alekhine but perhaps not so impressive. Then, too, with the war years, Bogolyubov was almost lost from sight in Nazi occupied terrain. He did, indeed, take part in some, doubtless enforced, Nazi tournaments. As a native of the Ukraine and later a German citizen he could have had little choice.But, after World War II. he re-emerged and was staging a come-back. with a first at Flensburg, Denmark, 1947, and at Oldenburg, Germany, 1949, and winning the West German Championship in 1949. Despite his objection to being left out of the World Chess Championship program, it seems hardly likely that, at 63, Bogolyubov could seriously have threatened the World Champion today. But he certainly could have made an impression in international tournaments> -- July 1952 Bogo's feeling that he belonged in the post-war title scene was insanely optimistic, of course, but for his age he did decently well on the international scene. Chessmetrics still has him at #38 in the world at his death. |
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May-18-22
 | | nizmo11: <Petrosianic>: <Sorry, Bogo was actually a 3-time Soviet Champion, not 2. I was forgetting his match with Romanovsky.>
The match with Romanovsky was about the title of the 1924 Soviet Champion.
Sergei Tkachenko writes in his biography section added to the new edition of <Selected Games>by Romanovsky (Elk and Ruby, 2021) about the match regulations:
"[...] The winner of the match receives (or retains the title of 1924 Soviet Champion. In case of a 6-6 draw, the current champion i.e. Bogoljubov, keeps his title." |
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