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Oct-09-18 | | Howard: When Ponomariov won the "world championship", it was probably the biggest fluke in FIDE history. |
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Oct-09-18
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Howard,
Shame Ivanchuk did not win it.
Just think of the arguments we have missed with people saying Ivanchuk should not be listed as one of the strongest players never to be World Champion because he was once World Champion. |
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Oct-09-18 | | Howard: But, if Ivanchuk had beaten Ponom, the former would not have been a legit WC, in my view. Ivanchuk, by the way, turns 50 next year! |
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Oct-10-18
 | | FSR: <Howard> Why single out Ponomariov? Don't you think that Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov are also joke world champions? |
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Oct-10-18 | | Howard: Oh, I couldn't agree more ! |
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Oct-10-18 | | Tiggler: <FSR>: <He is almost surely the "strongest player of all time," but that does not necessarily make him the "greatest of all time."> Bravo for pointing out this distinction. the expression <"greatest of all time."> includes not only playing strength, but also context, duration of the career at the top, and overall contribution to the development of chess. These are some of the reasons I rate Botvinnik very highly. Also why we have to wait before assessing Carlsen fairly. |
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Oct-11-18 | | Howard: Fischer's name also comes readily to mind. Should the fact that he quit chess after 1972 (his 1992 "match" didn't account for much, in my view), plus the disgraceful way he forfeited his title, affect his standing as one of the "greatest" players of all time. Personally, I think the answer is yes. |
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Oct-11-18 | | Tiggler: <Howard> No question: dereliction of duty. Illness is the excuse, but it hardly cuts it for me because he used the same instability to his advantage in gaining the title. |
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Oct-11-18 | | Count Wedgemore: <Tigger> I agree, but when measuring greatness, one important factor is what you yourself mentioned in an earlier post: <overall contribution to the development of chess.>, and in that regard Fischer, perhaps more than any other World Champion, contributed significantly to the development and the professionalization of chess. The "Fischer boom" was a remarkable phenomenon, and it didn't just manifest in the US, but in other countries as well, like Western Europe. Higher prize money and better playing conditions for players were also a result of Fischer's efforts, thanks to his demands and insistence of better treatment of chess professionals. And then there's his many inventions, like the Fischer Clock, with increment time control, Fischer Random, etc. That should be noted, too. |
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Oct-11-18
 | | perfidious: Hadn't been for Fischer--whatever one makes of his idiosyncrasies--as the <Count> notes, without his adamantine stance on improved playing conditions and prize funds for top players, chess would have been the worse off. |
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Oct-12-18 | | Tiggler: < in that regard Fischer, perhaps more than any other World Champion, contributed significantly to the development and the professionalization of chess. > Compared to Botvinnik? What a load of crap! |
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Oct-12-18
 | | HeMateMe: Fischer often made an ass of himself but--he did bring Western money and attention to the world of chess. Who else could have commanded a $5M joint purse for a match between two chess retires, he and Boris Spassky, in 1992? |
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Oct-12-18
 | | Check It Out: Regarding Ponomariov, Khalifman, and Kasimdzhanov being considered “joke world champions”: I agree they aren’t a part of the succession of undisputed world champions (and neither is Topalov, for that matter, but he is frequently left off this list). But all they did to be so derogatorily labeled is WIN the event they were in! They bear the brunt of the chess world’s ire when really it is Kasparov and FIDE who should be blamed. Give Pono, Khalif and Kasim a break. All they did was win. |
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Oct-12-18 | | john barleycorn: <Check It Out> agreed on all points. |
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Oct-12-18 | | nok: All classical world champions are joke champions, because the process instated by Steinitz is flawed. Soviet champion, now that was a real title. Also, Pono, Kasim and Khalif have prioritized activities like coaching/seconding over playing, and with great success. Their understanding of the game is second to none. |
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Oct-12-18 | | john barleycorn: <Tiggler: ...
Compared to Botvinnik? What a load of crap!> Yeah, doing a time comsuming methodological match preparation a la Botvinnik for month's and playing for the World Title at a max of 6000 US $. |
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Oct-28-18
 | | FSR: I finally renewed my membership, so anyone who wants to talk to me can now do so at my forum. |
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Oct-29-18 | | diceman: <Retireborn:
I find it difficult to look past Korchnoi and Keres.> While I'm a big Keres fan, I would go with Korchnoi because he spilled over into today's generation. (should Caruana win the current match
it would be another World Champion he's beaten)
Things rarely discussed:
1) Who was active at the time.
It's relatively easy to understand
Keres/Korchnoi when you look at
the legends of chess, who were active, and in their prime. 2) The process.
Look at Magnus, he "tied" a Candidates
tournament, and was sitting across the
board from Anand.
That's a lot different vs Interzonals,
individual matches, then sitting across from the World Champion. Not to mention, things like blitz deciding matches vs classical games. |
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Aug-01-20
 | | FSR: There is a profile of me by Al Lawrence in the August issue of Chess Life magazine. Here is the text: Frederick Rhine
Park Ridge, Illinois
Prolific and Optimistic
Ever wonder who writes those erudite chess articles on Wikipedia? You've probably read one of Frederick's without knowing it. He's contributed to hundreds. Two that were almost exclusively written by him have earned the highest honor, bestowed on only one in 1,400 articles on the English-language Wikipedia. His pieces "First-move advantage in chess," and "George H. D. Gossip" (about the American-English chess master and writer) were both spotlighted as the site's "Today’s Featured Article." Frederick learned chess at age 6, gathering a few chess books while in grade school. (He now shelves about 3,000.) After Fischer-Spassky exploded on the world, Rhine was hooked. His team at Lane Tech in Chicago won the State High School Team Championship in both his junior and senior years. Entering college an expert, he reached master shortly after graduation. Two of his games, with his notes, were published in Chess Informant and cited in ECO. His 18th move in Rhine-Sprenkle, 1981, a Nimzowitsch Sicilian, was voted one of the most important theoretical novelties in Informant 32. GM Pal Benko published two of his studies in Chess Life. Admitted to Columbia Law School, he had little time for the game. He then practiced law in Chicago’s appeals division and later joined a Chicago law firm, doing complex civil litigation. "In 2015, I received a CPA Certificate. In the 1990s, I took up correspondence chess. US Chess awarded me the title of Senior Master of Correspondence Chess in 1997." Rhine is currently the third-rated US Chess correspondence player. "Now I have a lot more free time on my hands and have been studying chess nonstop." He has an encouraging message for senior players. "I hope to become an OTB FIDE Master or at least Candidate Master. I defeated my first IM at the Illinois Open last year, at age 59. I emphatically reject the notion that people in their 50s, 60s, and beyond can't get better at chess!" |
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Aug-01-20
 | | OhioChessFan: <I emphatically reject the notion that people in their 50s, 60s, and beyond can't get better at chess!"> I uhhh, don't share your optimism. :p |
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Aug-01-20
 | | keypusher: That’s great, FSR. And heartening. I, uh, have lots of room for improvement. |
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Sep-06-21 | | Z truth 000000001: I think <CG> should implement a new rule, i.e. the <Rhine> rule... For every two wins Fred posts, he's obligated to post one of his losses. The exact ratio might be adjustable... |
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Sep-06-21
 | | 0ZeR0: <FSR>
Neat and informative article that I enjoyed reading. Thanks for sharing. |
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Sep-13-21
 | | FSR: <Z truth 000000001> For my 100th game on this site, I (re)submitted a game where I got absolutely humiliated: F Rhine vs NN, 2020. You're welcome. |
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Sep-13-21 | | Z truth 000000001: <FSR: <Z truth 000000001> For my 100th game on this site, I (re)submitted a game where I got absolutely humiliated: F Rhine vs NN, 2020. You're welcome.> Well, if FSR has a sense of humor, that's funny, and if he doesn't, well, it's still funny. Humiliation wasn't necessarily the idea behind the <Rhine rule>, but, in the interest of fairness, it will do on occasion. Given the love for miniatures, I suppose we could also carve out another exception - for every win by <FSR> a new <Cudo> minature could also be submited! . |
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