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Aug-08-03
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Aug-08-03 | | Cyphelium: Now that's a cool name if I ever heard one. |
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Apr-10-04 | | morphyvsfischer: The very first English Opening specialist too... |
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Apr-10-04 | | ruylopez900: Marmaduke had something going with the c-file... |
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Apr-30-04 | | valerianus: Marmaduke Wyvill juggled a career in the British Parliament with a nearly wonderful upset elimination of Anderssen in London 1851 (wow!). |
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Jan-21-05 | | Knight13: Information from Wikipedia:
Marmaduke Wyvill (1815 - 1896) was a leading English chess master. He made it through to the final of the first international chess tournament, held in London in 1851, but lost to Adolf Anderssen, 4.5-2.5. Wyvill was elected Member of Parliament for Richmond, North Yorkshire in 1847. In a chess game, Wyvill formation refers to a pawn formation in which White has no b pawn, a pawn at c3 and c4, and the d-pawn at d4 or d5 (Some authorities require a Black pawn to be at c5). White's c4 pawn is a weakness because it cannot be supported by other pawns. |
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Jan-05-06 | | BIDMONFA: Marmaduke Wyvill WYVILL, Marmaduke
http://www.bidmonfa.com/wyvill_m.htm
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Jul-31-06 | | sneaky pete: Is Marmaduke a name or a title? Is he related to the olde English breakfast table regular Marmaduke Chivers? |
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Jul-31-06
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http://123-baby-names.com/origin_me... |
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Jul-31-06 | | sneaky pete: <chancho> Thanks, <leader of the seas>, who would have imagined? The <duke> part led me to believe it was a title rather than a name, but MP Wyvill was obviously just a commoner, not a Lord. |
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Sep-01-08 | | myschkin: . . .
<Marmaduke Wyvill> war ein englischer Aristokrat, Politiker und Schachmeister. Der Stammsitz seiner Familie war Constable Burton Hall in North Yorkshire. In den Jahren 1847 bis 1868 war er Abgeordner im britischen Parlament. Im Jahr 1851 nahm er in London am ersten internationalen Schachturnier in der Geschichte teil und wurde Zweiter hinter dem preußischen Meister Adolf Anderssen, der fortan als weltbester Schachspieler galt. Der ansonsten mit Lob sparsame Howard Staunton bezeichnete Wyvill daraufhin als einen der besten Spieler Englands. Wyvill konzentrierte sich anschließend auf seine politische Laufbahn und hörte auf, ernsthaft Schach zu spielen. Es war ihm bis zu seinem Rückzug vom Schach möglich, sich mit den besten Spielern seiner Zeit zu messen, hierunter mit so glanzvollen Namen wie Louis Charles Mahe De La Bourdonnais, Lionel Adalbert Bagration Felix Kieseritsky, Henry Thomas Buckle und Daniel Harrwitz. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmad...
The Wyvill's of Constable Burton
http://www.wyvill.com/ |
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Jul-27-09 | | Knight13: A great player who unfortunately quit playing competitive/professional chess for the sake of other reasons, probably politics (Parliament). A politically educated talent AND very strong chess master. Now that's impressive. |
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Aug-02-09 | | Knight13: K after examining all of his games, I must admit that they aren't that high quality or very instructive. Errors and stupid blunders everywhere; you're definitely better off learning from great players of modern era than him, but if you wanna have fun then sure run through Wyvill's games. I'm surprised that at his skill level he reached SECOND in 1851 international tournament AHEAD of Staunton and others. If you believe in luck in chess, this is the time to use it as explanation! |
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Aug-02-09 | | YoungEd: I don't read German, so forgive me if this is already part of the post that <myschkin> left, but Staunton complained mightily about the slowness of Wyvill's play, suggesting that Wyvill managed to win his games principally through outsitting his opponents. |
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Aug-03-09 | | percyblakeney: <Staunton complained mightily about the slowness of Wyvill's play, suggesting that Wyvill managed to win his games principally through outsitting his opponents> I think he said that about Elijah Williams but he would probably have said it about Wyvill too if he had lost against him :-) Staunton meant that only his <physical
suffering could explain the result, against a player he could ordinarily defeat at P+2 odds> after Williams allegedly spent hours on some positions. Williams won a 17-game match against Horwitz, and Staunton commented about the disadvantage Horwitz suffered from when playing <any opponent who seeks to irritate or exhaust him by protracting the games unnecessarily>. According to Horwitz none of the games took more than five hours, and most of them were finished in two. Spinrad writes in his article on the subject that many sided with Williams in the dispute, and Staunton seems to have been rather slow himself in the 1851 tournament. Anderssen wrote that a game between Staunton and Horwitz took 11½ hours, and Kieseritzky singled out Staunton as playing slow games. http://www.chesscafe.com/text/spinr... |
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Aug-03-09 | | YoungEd: Hi, <percyblakeny>--
You are right; I misremembered the names. Thanks for the correction and info. |
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Aug-03-09 | | Knight13: Of course, people might've disliked Staunton more than any other player in the tournament and so sided against him. Note that Staunton intended to organize the tournament in order to attract the best players from around the world, and create brilliant games so that it will be talked about for centuries to come, but most importantly, he himself walking out as the winner of the tournament. Guess what? Staunton didn't win the tournament. Most of the games sucked. No, it will not be talked about for centuries for its brilliancy either; most of the games weren't that good. |
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Dec-22-11 | | talisman: <happy birthday Marmaduke! |
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Dec-22-11 | | Eastfrisian: I guess, he won't answer. |
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Oct-01-12 | | DrDave: Just being lazy, but could anyone please point me to a game where Wyvill used his famous Wyvill formation? There are none on my database... |
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Oct-01-12 | | Olavi: <DrDave> A very good question. I have had the suspicion that it's a misnomer, originally by Tarrasch. There is for instance this game Wyvill vs Anderssen, 1851 in which Wyvill has the doubled pawns, but it is supposed that he recognized the weakness of such pawns, not that he endorsed them. Instead, there are some games by Elijah Williams, indeed one against Wyvill if memory serves, which seem to indicate that he deliberately tried to impose such pawns on the opponent. Further research is needed... |
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Oct-01-12
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Oct-01-12 | | Olavi: In "Die Kunst der Bauernführung" Kmoch atributes the term to Tarrasch, but doesn't mention where he used it. |
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Oct-01-12 | | Olavi: OK it's probably in his book on the 1914 St. Petersburg tournament, in his comments on Rubinstein-Alekhine. He states that Wyvill used the stratagem Sb8-c6-a5, Ba6, Rc8 against the pawns in several games in London 1851. I think that should be Williams. |
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Oct-02-12
 | | keypusher: <Olavi: OK it's probably in his book on the 1914 St. Petersburg tournament, in his comments on Rubinstein-Alekhine. He states that Wyvill used the stratagem Sb8-c6-a5, Ba6, Rc8 against the pawns in several games in London 1851. I think that should be Williams.> I have that one, I'll check when I get a chance. |
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