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| Feb-22-03 | | skakmiv: What a solid opening... |
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| Feb-22-03 | | ksadler: I have had many brilliant wins in the past on the white side of this line (1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5), but now and again I think of going into the Panov-Botwinnik Attack instead (3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 etc). Any comments? |
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| Feb-22-03 | | Spitecheck: One of my faves, why I don't know - The Panov Botvinnik is a simple one for white either you have an IQP and you attack the King or you create the winning endgame with a Queenside pawn majority with c5 and Black tries to play e5 in the centre to counter. Here is one of my games against the computer, unusually it played so poorly it allowed me to do both. The Panov Botvinnik is really a Kings Pawn opening changed into a Queen's Pawn in a lot of ways. 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Bg5 Bb4!? 8.
Rc1 h6 9. Bd2 O-O 10. a3 Be7 11. c5 Ne4 12. Bd3 Nxd2 13. Qxd2 Bf6 14. Bb1
e5 15. dxe5 Nxe5 16. Nxe5 Bxe5 17. O-O Be6 18. f4 Bf6 19. Rce1 Qc7? 20. b4
Rfd8 21. Qd3! g6 22. Nb5 Qd7 23. Nd6 Bg7 24. f5 gxf5 25. Nxf5 Bxf5 26. Rxf5
a5 27. Rf3 Kf8 28. Qh7 axb4 29. Rg3 f6 30. Bf5 Qf7 31. Be6
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Spitecheck. |
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| Oct-20-03 | | uponthehill: Today, on the championships of our city, I made a stupid move- 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 de 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Ng3 Bg6 6. Bd3? and I lost the d4 pawn. Thank god, since that I've played patiently and managed to draw... |
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| Oct-20-03 | | karnak64: I used to regularly play the Caro-Kann as Black with 4 ... Nd7. I never lost a tournament game with that variation (lots of draws, a few wins). Trouble is, I always got creamed by Panov-Botvinnik players. Never found a good answer. |
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| Oct-20-03 | | drukenknight: uponthehill: that's actually a serious gambit line in this, did you hit the Q with your N? |
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| Oct-20-03 | | refutor: <...creamed by Panov-Botvinnik players. Never found a good answer> here's a good answer
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.ex cx 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nf3 Bb4 (almost all lines lead to good nimzo indian lines) 7.Bd3 dxc4 8.Bxc4 O-O 9.O-O b6 is E54 Nimzo-Indian which is easy and good development for Black Opening Explorer |
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| Oct-21-03 | | Pawnographer: Refutor. A good reference example of Black versus Panov-Botvinnik play is one of the early games ( uncertain which exact one!) of Kamsky-Karpov. Elista World championship match 1996. Follow this game, it gives you great insight on Karpov's strength as a Caro-Kann player, not to mention the instructive ideas of Black versus isolated queen pawn play. Enjoy! |
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| Oct-21-03 | | uponthehill: <drunkenknight> Yes I did. The position became open and my rooks and queen were easy to introduct. |
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| Oct-21-03 | | karnak64: refutor and pawnographer, thanks -- I'll look at both of these. |
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| Oct-21-03 | | PizzatheHut: <Pawnographer> Is this the game that you're talking about? Kamsky vs Karpov, 1996 |
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| Oct-21-03 | | Pawnographer: You're very welcome. The game I discovered was game four of the Elista World Championship match. For some very good annotations please invest in Understanding Chess Move by Move by John Nunn. He explains at length Karpov's play against the isolated queen pawn which I think you will find very useful. |
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| Oct-21-03 | | Pawnographer: "1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.ex cx 4.c4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e6 6.Nf3 Bb4 (almost all lines lead to good nimzo indian lines) 7.Bd3 dxc4 8.Bxc4 O-O 9.O-O b6 is E54 Nimzo-Indian which is easy and good development for Black Opening Explorer" 7. Bd3 while definitely playable is often times avoided in the early opening at the high GM level because of the subsequent tempo loss with 7...dxc4 8.Bxc4. Instead, variations now center around 7. Qc2 ( hence delaying Bd3 until black commits with capture at c4) Another plan was the one administered in the Kamsky-Karpov 1996 game with Bd2. As Black I wouldn't fear that move much, since it is really unclear so early in the game if that is truly the best square for White's dark-squared bishop. |
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| Oct-21-03 | | PizzatheHut: I've played the Caro-Kann for as long as I can remember, but every once in a while I'll get killed on the kingside. It seems to happen a lot in the advance variation, and I always get screwed because I can't put my knight on the f6 square. My king is left pretty defenseless. Any help in preventing these sudden kingside attacks? |
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| Oct-21-03 | | Pawnographer: If there is any variation where White can achieve serious, early attacking threats, it would be the Advance variation of the Caro-Kann. The most interesting and tactical stems from 1. e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4. Nc3 e6 5.g4 Bg6. Just look at the illustrative games such as Shirov-Nisipeanu FIDE KO 1999, Shabalov-Times Foxwoods 2001, Topalov-Bareev Dortmund 2002. All of which highlight Black's difficulties in defending this variation. Solution? My suggestion is to try an early 4...h5, thus preventing 5. g4. Give it a try and see how comfortable you are with it. It is not exactly a new move but can take White by surprise. Unfortunately I don't have any games with 4...h5 to recommend. My best guess is to search games of Seirawan or even Miles and see what turns up. My recollection is that Karpov(arguably the most famous Caro-Kann player in history) has not ever trotted out 4...h5, but I could be wrong. If I find something worthwhile, I will let you know. Keep on fighting!! |
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| Oct-21-03 | | refutor: <1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 ♗f5 4.♘c3 e6 5.g4 ♗g6> a modern antidote to this line is 4. ... Qb6, trying to prevent 5.g4 by keeping the option of 5. ... Bd7 open. i've never tried it OTB but it seems as good as the "mainline" |
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| Feb-16-04 | | tomh72000: Could anyone help me with the advance variation (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5)? I always seem to do badly in this, which is a shame because I do well in other caro-kann positions. White's pawn om e5 completely wedges me in and when I try to counter with ...f6 my position always seems to become untenable (cramped, opponents rooks maul me etc.). Please help! |
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| Feb-16-04 | | refutor: don't counter with ...f6. counter with a ...c5 push ASAP. one fairly easy way to play the caro-kann advance (without knowing any theory at all) is to play a setup ...Ne7, ...Nd7, ...c5, ...Nc6 (from e7) the "karpov knights". you will get some space back and it is basically playable against any setup, obviously there are exceptions like any line with an early g4, but it will give you a playable position v. anything |
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| Feb-16-04 | | Gower: Against the Caro Kann I usually play the fantasy variation. |
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| Feb-18-04 | | tomh72000: Thanks again, <refutor>. I think I can cope with the advance variation now. |
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| Feb-18-04 | | unsound: <Gower> Me too, but for some reason I never play games quite like this one (in which black exchanges on e4, a no-no it seems to me): J Gallagher vs Miles, 1984 |
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| Feb-18-04 | | Gower: Most caro kann players just keep it very solid if you play the fantasy variation on them. They play 3..e6. Then white has to be content with a slight space advantage. |
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| Feb-18-04 | | Pawnographer: don't counter with ...f6. counter with a ...c5 push ASAP. one fairly easy way to play the caro-kann advance (without knowing any theory at all) is to play a setup ...Ne7, ...Nd7, ...c5, ...Nc6 (from e7) the "karpov knights Agree with Refutor whole-heartedly. The best solution is to go for that Karpov-knights set-up. you're means of counterplay should fall upon the base of white's pawn chain at d4. Therefore, going for the subsequent c5, then Ne7-c6, and Qb6 should be the goal. Try it. Let me know what you think. |
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| Mar-16-04 | | ruylopez900: IMHO the Panov-Botvinnik Attack and the Fantasy Variations are the best way to stick it to any Caro-Kann player, threatening to shake the defensibility of this opennig! (OK, maybe they aren't that good =D) |
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| Mar-16-04 | | unsound: Last time I played the fantasy variation my opponent said "Oh no!" as I played 3 f3. Not a very astute psychological move, really. I won, for once. |
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