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Dec-11-24
 | | FSR: I think the main winning chance missed was after 30...Qf7? (30...Qxe1 was correct). Then instead of 31.Ne4?, trading rooks first and then playing 32.Ne4 would have given Gukesh a huge advantage. |
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Dec-11-24
 | | 6t4addict: i am betting that the match will go to a tiebreak. what about you? |
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| Dec-11-24 | | areknames: Yeah, really exciting game. 5.Nce2 worked really well this time, such a shame that Gukesh couldn't capitalize. |
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Dec-11-24
| | 6t4addict: most probably the match will be decided on a tiebreak. both players are so very close ! |
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Dec-11-24
| | FSR: Ding has much higher rapid (2776 vs. Gukesh's 2654) and blitz (2785 vs. 2615) ratings than Gukesh. https://2700chess.com/ As such, Ding is a big favorite in the tiebreaks. Accordingly, Ding should be happy to go to tiebreaks (much as Carlsen was against Karjakin and Caruana), and Gukesh unhappy to do so. So I don't expect Ding to take big risks tomorrow, but Gukesh might. But it's hard to win as Black against a very strong opponent who's content with a draw. |
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Dec-11-24
| | FSR: By my lights, it's too bad that almost every world championship match these days goes to tiebreaks. Carlsen vs. Nepomniachtchi was the rare exception. But at least there's no provision for Armageddon in the rules. Becoming world champion by drawing an Armageddon game as Black would be pretty gross. Especially if all the prior games had been drawn (not the case here). |
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Dec-11-24
 | | HeMateMe: The two players seem to be having a debate with this opening. |
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| Dec-11-24 | | stone free or die: <<ak> 5.Nce2 worked really well this time,> Guess I was wrong that Nce2 wouldn't be played again. But I still don't think it's the most testing line for Black (at move 5) - see <sesse.net>, which suggests 5.f4 and keeps the knight on c3 until 20.Nxb5. Well, opening play is super theoretical - and it was still a good game from 5.Nce2, admittedly. It's funny though to see the QN spend 5 tempos b1-c3-e2-f4-h5-f6 to take Black's kb (with only a two tempo investment), while White's KN takes two tempo's to station itself at c3. |
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Dec-11-24
 | | Richard Taylor: Armageddon is rubbish indeed. This looks as though it was well fought. I don't think there is any strategy as Rapid Chess is too random. They split the point. Two World Champions... |
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Dec-11-24
 | | louispaulsen88888888: Yeah Armageddon is ridiculous! They might as well settle it with rock paper scissors. Or a game of Chinese Chess. No, wait, Ding would have an unfair advantage there. Maybe one game of draughts. |
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| Dec-11-24 | | boz: The c8-bishop did not move until 38...Bd7. Takes a lot of patience and nerve to play the French. |
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Dec-11-24
 | | Teyss: Nice try by Gukesh to score a win, he came close. No clue why Ding didn't play 17...Nxd4. A Pawn is a Pawn is a Pawn. It would have given a completely different game, maybe not to his liking, or maybe he saw ghosts. There is a consensus that the players traded mistakes with 30...Qf7 and 31.Ne4. Time pressure probably played a role as the players only had 8 and 13 minutes left respectively to reach time control. |
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| Dec-11-24 | | optimal play: After reaching the 40 move time control with an even game I was pretty sure this would end in a draw. Great resilience by Ding to withstand Gukesh’s attack under immense time pressure. He had to make some very precise moves in a complex position with little time on his clock just to survive. Gukesh will feel somewhat disheartened after this, while Ding should feel confident going into the last classical game with white. <…Rapid Chess is too random. They split the point. Two World Champions…> There can only be one world champion. |
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Dec-11-24
 | | An Englishman: Good Afternoon: Must confess that it would prove impossible to resist the temptation of playing 31.Ne4. Pass on the opportunity to fork all three of Black's majors with a single move? Nope, nope, nope. |
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| Dec-11-24 | | whiteshark: Epic chess w/ an entertaining 16 min summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs9... |
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| Dec-12-24 | | whiteshark: Here's Nakamura's <INSANE!!> recap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZB... (~30 mins) |
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Dec-12-24
 | | sakredkow: Well, maybe Armageddon is rubbish and maybe it is ridiculous... but you shoulda been there for the Hubner-Smyslov roulette wheel in 1983. https://en.chessbase.com/post/can-s... |
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Dec-12-24
 | | plang: Actually, I prefer flipping a coin to Armageddon. |
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| Dec-12-24 | | Atking: Many comments on "fantastic resilience" from Ding Liren but most of that game opportunities are missed by Dommaraju Gukesh. It is more and less flipping a coin. If Gukesh had played to say only the last 30.RxR+ QxR 31.Ne4 and it's over. During the press conference Gukesh said he saw that line but thought Black could defend after 31...Rd7 32.Nd6 Qf8 33.Re1 h6 34.Re6 in fact 34...Rd8 35.Nf7+ wins the piece. How Gukesh could have missed such tactic. Gukesh has obviously lost his self confidence. The one he has during the Olympiad by which he will have won that game. So what... Because Ding plays slowly the opening phase, many are thinking that Gukesh s' prep is superior. I don't agree. If this prep has been as serious as it's supposed 12.Qg4 should have been deeply analysed (As well at the game 11th 9.c5!). |
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| Dec-12-24 | | metatron2: I think that Ding played the opening pretty awful here, despite wasting half his time on the first 10 moves. That Nb6-c4 maneuver was a bad plan: wasting critical time allowing white to build strong pressure on the K-side, and always leaves white the option to blow-up the center with d4-d5 at the right moment, without giving black any real counter play in return. And indeed he was more or less forced to give up his DSB to release the pressure, after which the d4-d5 break exposed all his black squares weakness along with his passive pieces which were interrupted by his weak WSB. It goes on to show that when one plays an opening he isn't really familiar with, and only prepared specific variations there, then any surprise move (like 7.a3 here) can be fatal for him, even at the highest level. Anyway, Ding was highly impressive to survive that and with time pressure on top of that. Especially finding that 31.. Rf8! save under strong time pressure, was pretty amazing. And that 44.. c3 move was pretty classy as well.. Overall Ding showed real strong nerves as the game progressed. |
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| Dec-12-24 | | FM David H. Levin: 69. Ke4 looks strange. Might it have signified end-of-game (by moving the king to a center square) rather than being an actual move? |
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| Dec-12-24 | | areknames: <Guess I was wrong that Nce2 wouldn't be played again. But I still don't think it's the most testing line for Black (at move 5)> I agree. It never bothered me in my playing days, however, as I then believed (and still do) that 4.Bg5 is White's best option here. |
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Dec-12-24
| | FSR: <FM David H. Levin: 69. Ke4 looks strange. Might it have signified end-of-game (by moving the king to a center square) rather than being an actual move?> Yes. It's hard to imagine Gukesh playing that move, which allows 69...Rxg3 with the unstoppable threat of ...Rg4(+), leaving Ding a pawn up, even. Still drawn, but virtually no one trying to win a pawn-up ending switches to a pawn-down ending for no reason, then offers a draw. For one thing, the opponent might decline. "Hey, now <I'm> playing for a win!" And especially one doesn't play around like that at the world championship. |
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Dec-12-24
| | Teyss: <Atking: (...) During the press conference Gukesh said he saw that line but thought Black could defend after 31...Rd7 32.Nd6 Qf8 33.Re1 h6 34.Re6 in fact 34...Rd8 35.Nf7+ wins the piece.> After 31.Rxe8+ Qxe8 32.Ne4 the line is actually 32...Rd7 33.Nd6 Qf8 <34.Qd5+ Kh8> 35.Re1 h6 36.Re6 with a winning position (diagram). Now if 36...Rd8, 37.Nf7+ 
click for larger viewWhen Gukesh talks about this sequence, Ding is clearly smiling, probably thinking "Oh my, I was really lucky here." Don't miss Ding's smile from 8:24 until 8:50, it's rare enough: https://worldchampionship.fide.com/... <How Gukesh could have missed such tactic.> Mostly time pressure, forcing the players to play rapidly: Ding played 30...Qf7? in 20 seconds and Gukesh 31.Ne4? in 1 minute. |
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Dec-12-24
 | | perfidious: <Teyss....<How Gukesh could have missed such tactic.> Mostly time pressure, forcing the players to play rapidly: Ding played 30...Qf7? in 20 seconds and Gukesh 31.Ne4? in 1 minute.> The cumulative tension of the match situation may have contributed in no small way as well. Many railbirds rush to criticise every error of commission or omission while having not the slightest idea how difficult it is to win a game against a strong, determined opponent. Despite Ding's indifferent tournament results of late, let these title bouts serve as testimony to his ferocity and determination. While both players have missed chances, each has proven himself worthy of the other's steel. |
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