Magnus Carlsen vs Alireza Firouzja (2021)

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Magnus Carlsen vs Alireza Firouzja
Tata Steel Masters (2021), Wijk aan Zee NED, rd 1, Jan-16
Queen's Gambit Declined: Barmen Variation (D37) · 1-0

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Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: <Including rapid/exhibition games: Magnus Carlsen beat Alireza Firouzja 12 to 1, with 3 draws.> Magnus had a poor - but not this poor, I think - early record against Vishy.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: This database doesn't include the blitz match they played on chess24 which Firouzja won 8.5 to 7.5 , so its skewered more in Carlsen's favour. Besides, it will be unusual for the reigning World Champ in his absolute prime not to show some dominance over a 17 year old, regardless of who that 17 year old is. Carlsen himself used to get owned very badly by an ageing Anand and Kramnik when he was a similar age to Firouzja is now.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: Also, in a lot of those games, Carlsen has gotten some very strange luck. He has been outplayed multiple times by the kid, but Alireza didnt deliver the decisive blow. He'll learn

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: < This database doesn't include the blitz match they played on chess24 which Firouzja won 8.5 to 7.5 , so its skewered more in Carlsen's favour. > But they were Banter Blitz. Magnus seemed to be doing a lot more chatting than Alireza.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: <Miss Scarlett> That's not very accurate. Up until 2008 , Anand had a score of 13 to 3 against Magnus Carlsen. And remember, Anand was already 36 at the time of their 1st meeting in 2005. Carlsen was 28 years old in his 1st meeting with Firouzja in 2018. Including the banter blitz games (i see no reason why they should not be included if chess960 is), the record is 19-8 in Carlsen's favour over Firouzja. Carlsen's record against Kramnik at a similar age was 7-1 in Kramnik's favour until Carlsen started fighting back. I don't see what's so unusual.

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: I didn't claim Alireza's results against Magnus were unusual or surprising. That's why I drew a parallel with Magnus against Anand. But 13-3 isn't as bad as 12-1, so yes I was indeed accurate.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: It's 19-8. You can't just dismiss banter blitz games. That was a serious match and Carlsen was visibly rattled.

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: I'm sure they've played many dozens of bullet games on chess.com. Maybe you'd care to include those as well.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: You already know bullet is never included in such things. Get real and accept the facts.

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: I'm not sure about that. <cg> does have some 1+1 bullet games from events such as chess.com Speed Chess (2020). What I am sure about is that banter blitz is never included in such things. Get real.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: Okay it doesn't get included but your boy lost so you block it out like it never happened. But Carlsen was visibly shaken and was taking the match very seriously. More seriously than I should have taken you of course.

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: He's not my boy, but it sounds like Alireza is yours. If Magnus was surprised at the result of the Banter Blitz it's presumably because he'd already been getting the better of the kid online. After the defeat, I think he made a point of saying he'd take him more seriously from now on, in other words, he was looking for revenge. And the results have shown that. On top of which he's thrown in a couple of barbs about the kid getting nervous, literally shaking, under pressure.

Feb-02-21		fisayo123: As can be seen, the chessgames.com database is not the end all and be all database for "vs" matchups. In fact, its known for not really being as complete as some other game databases, especially for modern era games. https://2700chess.com/games?search=... <Total Score (including blitz/rapid/exhibition) Carlsen, Magnus beat Firouzja, Alireza 19 to 8, with 6 draws> This database ^ includes what you don't want to be included <Miss Scarlett> Carlsen and Firouzja have not played any bullet match under an organized setting other than a ton of casual games so its ridiculous to compare those off hand casual games to the banter blitz series which was a well publicized event which lasted several months and included several GM's or to the bullet games of the well promoted Speed chess championship. So your initial comment about Carlsen vs Anand / Carlsen vs Firouzja was actually false since Carlsen's 3-13 is much worse than Firouzja's 8-19. And of course his 1-7 against Kramnik for good measure. But I know i'm preaching to the choir and you're desperate for attention so ill let you have the final word.

Feb-02-21		MissScarlett: 2700chess.com <You can find your favorite chess games, including your own, in our 6 million game online chess database.> It's a data dump.

Nov-11-21		cormier: sf 12 depth=41 +8.86 36. Nxh6+ gxh6 37. Qxh6 Ra7 38. Bh7+ Kh8 39. Bf5+ Kg8 40. f4 Qe7 41. Bh7+ Kh8 42. Bc2+ Kg8 43. Rxe7 Rxe7 44. Bh7+ Kh8 45. Bf5+ Kg8 46. Qh7+ Kf8 47. Qh8+ Bg8 48. Qh6+ Ke8 49. Bxc8 a3 50. Qc6+ Kf8 51. Qa8 Kg7 52. Qxa3 Rc7 53. Qa1+ Kf7 54. Bg4 d4 55. Qxd4 Ke8 56. Qe4+ Re7 57. Qa8+ Kf7 58. Qd5+ Kg7 59. Qd4+ Kf8 60. Qd8+ Kf7 61. Bh5+ Ke6 62. f5+ Kxf5 63. Qxe7 Bd5 64. g4+ Kf4 65. Qf6+ Ke3 66. Bg6

Nov-11-21		cormier: sf 12 depth=51 -0.61 35... Kh8 36. Qf5 Qb6+ 37. Kf1 Bg6 38. Qxg6 Qxg6 39. Bxg6 a3 40. Kf2 a2

Nov-11-21		cormier: sf 12 depth=53 -0.62 36... Qb6+ 37. Kf1 Bg6 38. Qxg6 Qxg6 39. Bxg6 a3 40. Ne5 a2 41. Ra1 Rcb8 42. Kf2 Rb5

Nov-11-21		cormier: sf 12 depth=53 -0.60 37. Kf1 Bg6 38. Qxg6 Qxg6 39. Bxg6 a3 40. Ne5 a2 41. Ra1 Rcb8 42. Kf2 Rb5 43. h4 Kg8

Nov-11-21		chancho: 40. Qh6+ Kf7 41. Bg6+ Kf6 42. Be8+ Kf5 43. g4#

Nov-11-21		cormier: <if 35... Kh8> sf 12 depth=51 -0.61 35... Kh8 36. Qf5 sf 12 depth=53 -0.62 36... Qb6+ sf 12 depth=53 -0.60 37. Kf1 sf 12 depth=55 -0.67 37... Bg6 sf 12 depth=50 -0.52 38. Qxg6 Qxg6 39. Bxg6 sf 12 depth=53 -0.35 39... a3 sf 12 depth=53 -0.40 40. Ne5 sf 12 depth=53 -0.40 40... a2 41. sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 41... Rcb8 sf 12 depth=54 -0.40 42. Kf2 Rb2+ sf 12 depth=54 -0.40 43. Kg3 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 43... Rd2 44. h4 sf 12 depth=56 -0.40 44. h4 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 44... Kg8 45. Nd7 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 44... Kg8 45. Nd7 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 45. Nd7 Rd8 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 45... Rd8 46. Nc5 sf 12 depth=55 -0.40 45... Rb8 sf 12 depth=56 -0.40 47. Ne6 d4 48. h5 d3

Nov-11-21		cormier: depth=58 -0.40 47. Ne6 d4 depth=56 -0.40 47... d4 48. h5 depth=58 -0.40 48. h5 d3 49. Bxd3 Rxd3 50. Rxa2 depth=62 -0.40 48... d3 49. Bxd3 Rxd3 50. Rxa2 Re3

Nov-11-21		cormier: depth=60 -0.40 49. Bxd3 Rxd3 50. Rxa2 Kf7 depth=59 -0.40 50... Kf7 51. Nc5

Nov-11-21		cormier: depth=61 -0.15 51. Nf4 Rd7 52. Kh3 Rbb7 53. Ng6 Ra7 54. Re2 Rdc7 55. Nh8+ Kf6 56. Ng6 Ra1 57. g4 Rc3 58. Kg3 Raa3 59. Nh4 Rab3 60. Re8 Kf7 61. Ra8 Ra3 62. Rd8 Rd3 63. Rb8 Re3 64. Rb7+ Re7 65. Rb5 Raa7 66. Ng6 Re8 67. Rb1 Rc7 68. Rb4 Kg8 69. Ra4 Rd8 70. Ra2 Kh7 71. Ra6 Rcd7 72. Ra2 Rb8 73. Ra4 Rc7 74. Rd4 Re8 75. Rd6 Ra7 76. Rd4 Kg8 77. Rd3 Rc7 78. Rd4 Ra8 79. Rd3 Kh7 80. Rd4 Rc3 81. Rb4 Re8

Nov-11-21		cormier: depth=61 -0.15 51. Nf4 Rd7 52. Kh3 Rbb7 53. Ng6 Ra7 54. Re2 Rdc7 55. Nh8+ Kf6 56. Ng6 Ra1 57. g4 Rc3 58. Kg3 Raa3 59. Nh4 Rab3 60. Re8 Kf7 61. Ra8 Ra3 62. Rd8 Rd3 63. Rb8 Re3 64. Rb7+ Re7 65. Rb5 Raa7 66. Ng6 Re8 67. Rb1 Rc7 68. Rb4 Kg8 69. Ra4 Rd8 70. Ra2 Kh7 71. Ra6 Rcd7 72. Ra2 Rb8 73. Ra4 Rc7 74. Rd4 Re8 75. Rd6 Ra7 76. Rd4 Kg8 77. Rd3 Rc7 78. Rd4 Ra8 79. Rd3 Kh7 80. Rd4 Rc3 81. Rb4 Re8 depth=64 -0.15 51... Rdb3 52. Kh3 R8b5 53. Ra7+ Kf6 54. Ra6+ Ke5 55. Ra4 Kd6 56. Ra6+ Rb6 57. Ra8 Rb8 58. Ra1 R8b7 59. Rd1+ Ke7 60. Ra1 Kf7 61. Ra8 R3b4 62. Ng6 Rb8 63. Ra7+ R4b7 64. Ra2 Rb5 65. g4 Kg8 66. Ra7 R5b7 67. Ra1 Kh7 68. Nh4 Rb5 69. Ra6 Rb2 70. Kg3 R2b3 71. Ng6 R3b7 72. Rd6 Rb5 73. Ra6 Rb3 74. Nh4 R8b7 75. Ra8 R3b6 76. Ng6 Rb8 77. Ra7 R6b7 78. Ra1 Rb2 79. Ra6 Re8 80. Ra7 Rb5 81. Ra6 Rbb8 82. Ra7 Re3 83. Kf4

Nov-11-21		BxChess: I tried 38. ...Rc7 click for larger view The site engine (Stockfish 6sec) gave White +2.11 after 38.Bh7+ Kh8 39.Bd3+ Kg8 40.Re5 Be8 41.Rg5+ Qxg5 42.Qxg5+ Kf8 But actually its mate after 38. Bh7+ Kh8 39. Bg6+ Kg8 40. Qh7+ Kf8 41. Bxf7 Rxf7 42. Qh8# I guess 6 secs is not enough for infallibility.

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