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Robert James Fischer vs Robert W Moore
"The Man With the Golden Rook" (game of the day Jun-16-2017)
Simul, 50b (1961) (exhibition), Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles, CA USA, Feb-01
Sicilian Defense: Najdorf Variation (B95)  ·  0-1



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Jun-16-17  widjaja70: I love the pun. It is a parody of one of the title of James Bond movies. CG made it so because the last name of the Black player is Moore, which remind us to the late Roger Moore, who stars James Bond movies.
Jun-16-17  RookFile: Great game by black. It's amazing that he could reason this obscure line out in a simul where I'm sure Fischer was rapidly moving between boards.
Jun-16-17  Al2009: Fischer was not Tal. Here he missed a chance to win faster, by playing (instead of the useless 16. a3?) 16. Rg4!followed by Rh4. If 16...e5 17. Nf5, if 16...b4, 17. Rh4 immediately. If 16...g6 17. Qh6 Ng7 18. Rh4 Nh5 19. f5! But Fischer was not as good as Tal in tactics.
Jun-16-17  Imran Iskandar: Good game by Moore.
Jun-16-17  newzild: <Al2009> Don't forget it was a simul.

Stockfish considers 16.f5! to be best.

After your 16. Rg4 b4 17. Rh4, Stockfish gives 17...h6 Nb1 with wild complications of the type nobody - not even Tal - would be able to negotiate error-free in a simul.

Jun-16-17  newzild: <Al2009> Don't forget it was a simul, with Fischer only having a few seconds to work out his moves.

Stockfish says White to had a significant advantage - with both sides regularly playing the "best moves" - for most of the game until Bobby neglected to play b3 sometime around move 21.

Jun-16-17  SpiritedReposte: Even so, James Bond knows his Sicilian Defense.
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  kevin86: The rook locks the king in and the queen mates him.
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  ChessHigherCat: One Moore win against Bobby

To whom it may concern: Save yourself the trouble, I'll take care of it: Yet another base and revolting distortion of a player's name in the name of cheap humor (=damn, why I didn't I think of that?)

Jun-16-17  gars: Am I completely wrong or Robert W. Moore played like young Fischer? Every threat Fischer made was answered by a counter-threat!
Jun-16-17  RookFile: He has a powerful weapon,
he charges a million a shot.

An assassin, second to none,
the man with the golden gun...

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  eternaloptimist: Moore just manhandled Fischer in this game! It goes to show that you shouldn't underestimate a Class A player. His highest rating in the CG database is 1940. Main weakness in this game IMHO.:
1)Fischer paid too much attention to his own attack & not enough to Moore's attack. That was 1 of Fischer's biggest weaknesses. Other weaknesses were:
2) overconfidence (similar to weakness mentioned above) 3) positions where he couldn't rely on sheer calculation based off of tactics...for example closed positions 4) playing white vs the French Defense
5) It seems like most of the players that beat him got him into complicated double-edged positions. Can anybody think of other weaknesses that he had?
Jun-16-17  savagerules: (After this game was over.) "My name's Moore, Rob Moore. And please, shaken, not stirred." [Cue electric guitar playing Bond theme song]
Jun-16-17  The Kings Domain: I really like that f5 move by Fischer when he plays white. Very beneficial and advantageous.

Black played well here, always one step ahead of the great. Fischer must have been in a daze by then or pissed that he wasn't steamrolling his opponent, his last move was an oversight not worthy of his stature.

Jun-17-17  Al2009: <newzild>

Your Stockfish seems in error.
After 16. Rg4! b4 17. Rh4 h6 White wins in no more than 10 moves, with 18. f5! (18. Nb1? is just losing a tempo)

And after 18...bxc3, 19. f6!, 2 main lines arise.

a) 19...Ra7?! 20. fxe7 Rxe7 21. gxh6 g6 (forced. If 21...Qxa2 22. bxc3 ) 22. h7+, Kh8 23. Bh6 e5 24. Qf3! exd4 25. Bxf8 Rb7 26. Bxd6!

b) 19...Bd8 20. fxg7 Kxg7 (forced) 21. Rxh6 Rg8 (forced) 22. g6! cxb2+ 23. Kb1 fxg6 24. Rxg6+!!+ Kxg6 24. Rg1+ Kf7 25. Qh5+ Kf8 26. Bh6+

In addition, it is not true that Fischer could not manage those complications in a simul. Sometimes Fischer played good games (see Fischer - Celle, 1964) even in simul games. But Fischer WAS NOT as good as Tal in simul. Fischer lost in just 15 moves against Garcia Palermo in 1971 Fischer vs C Garcia Palermo, 1970 In that simul Fischer had lost also against Jose Rubinstein Fischer vs J Rubinstein, 1971

Fischer was losing many times in simul games, whereas Tal was able to play fantastic combinations, winning sometimes in 10-15 moves. The point is that Tal was 10 times stronger than Fischer in tactics. Where Fischer was losing tempos and retreating pieces in a "prudent" attitude, Tal was successfully "throwing" all his pieces against the Kings of his challengers.

Jun-18-17  newzild: <Al2009>

Your assertion that Tal was "10 times stronger than Fischer in tactics" is clearly silly.

Simuls are like bltz in that they require quick thinking. Here's Fischer whupping Tal twice in the unofficial world blitz championship:

Tal vs Fischer, 1970

Fischer vs Tal, 1970

Jun-18-17  WorstPlayerEver: : It's kinda funny if you think of it; Tal had his appendix removed just before he beat Fischer 4 times in a row. But that was the last time Tal beat Fischer. Fischer was just 16 while Tal was in his prime. Besides.. tactics flow from a superior position.
Jun-18-17  Sally Simpson: Tal was unstoppable in 1959 when he went 4-0 v Fischer.

In '59 ss White Fischer was having a Caro Kann nightmare v the Soviet players.

Tal's joke pretending to play c6 but then sliding the pawn to c5 and Fischer's deadpan reaction is one of the magic moments of chess captured on camera.

Jun-18-17  newzild: <Sally Simpson>

That's funny.

Thanks for sharing!

Jun-22-17  Al2009: <newzild>

You're in error, please READ BETTER. I said that Tal was 10 times superior IN TACTICS, I did not say that Fischer could not beat Tal, sometimes. Fischer was very strong in openings, and in general strategy, but he was much weaker in tactics. The 2 blitz games of Herceg Novi blitz tournament you mentioned are the only ones Fischer won in a blitz tournament against Tal, and he only won IN THE ENDGAME both! Furthermore, Fischer missed MANY TIMES good tactical chanches, even in normal-time games, whereas Tal did not miss any tactical chances, no matter it was a blitz, a simul, a tournament game, etc. For instance, look this Fischer vs Filip, 1962

Fischer played 28. Qa1??, whereas he could immediately win after playing 28. Qh5 and then 29.Qxg6. Some commentators said that Fischer was "tired" after his Stockholm izt that he won. But Geller, Korchnoi, Petrosian played that izt too, and they were not "tired" at all! And they were not a 19 year old boy as Fischer! So, the truth is that Fischer was not as good in tactics as several other GM

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  perfidious: Had never seen that clip featuring Tal.

Nice one, and thanks, <Geoff>.

Tal noted that until his win over Heuer in 1972, he had only played one Caro-Kann in his career. Later, the single step of the c-pawn in response to 1.e4 became a staple in his top-level games.

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  perfidious: Had never seen that clip featuring Tal.

Nice one, and thanks, <Geoff>.

Tal noted that until his win over Heuer in 1972, he had only played one Caro-Kann in his career. Later, the single step of the c-pawn in response to 1.e4 became a staple in his top-level games.

Jun-22-17  Retireborn: That's a great clip which showcases Tal's whimsicality.

In his book Chess Curiosities Tim Krabbe refers to Fischer's troubles against the C-K at the 1959 candidates, and writes "was crushed in the eighth (round) by Keres who had never in his life played the Caro-Kann."

That is not strictly true, as Keres had played the C-K against Maroczy (and lost!) in 1930, and also played it a couple of times in obscure Estonian tournaments.

Alekhine also had rather mixed results on those relatively few occasions he tried the C-K as Black.

Jun-26-17  newzild: <Al2009: <newzild> You're in error, please READ BETTER. I said that Tal was 10 times superior IN TACTICS>

I can read.

Your statement is ridiculous because even if Tal was better at tactics, he certainly wasn't '10 times better'.

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  Richard Taylor: Tal liked complexities more than the slower positional approach. And overall Fischer, whatever his abilities or not at tactics, had, as his forte, a very good and sometimes great positional understanding. In some cases it was a case of learning his lessons well. Tal also, by the way, played well in endings.

It is unlikely anyone could evaluate how much better one player is than another and the 10x is ridiculous of course.

I think overall both were pretty close in ability. Perhaps Tal if he had looked after himself better and so on and put in the kind of work Botvinnik and Fischer did on chess, might have done better. Illness though, dogged him.

But this game I found in the oldest NZ magazine I own (apart from one devoted to WWII). It simply says: THE MASTER LOSES...IN A SIMUL. Then it just gives the score. In the same year Tal and Botvinnik played. Botvinnik the challenger beating Tal with some great attacking games and other. Tal praised Botvinnik's games, and they are good. Worth contrasting with the 1960 match. Tal had already joked that if he lost he could claim to be the world's youngest ex-World Champion!

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