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Sep-13-13
 | | chancho: Carlsen and greatness.... synonymous! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | MarkusKann: Go Magnus!!! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | marcwordsmith: THANK YOU, <cg>! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | kb2ct: The game would have made a better Friday puzzle than a known Trezler trap. :0) |
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Sep-13-13
 | | offramp: LOL! shortest coverage ever! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | notyetagm: <offramp: LOL! shortest coverage ever!> And I made it to the first page!
FIRST PAGE! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | haydn20: Houdini first put 51...Bh4+ as poor, then changed its "mind" as the game went on--a "horizon effect". A positional and endgame clinic against a White player using a drawing line (exchange Ruy). |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Marmot PFL: Always good to see black win an exchange Spanish ending. |
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Sep-13-13
 | | Check It Out: Just in time for the dancing rook! |
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Sep-13-13
| | offramp: < Marmot PFL: Always good to see black win an exchange Spanish ending...> I agree! What a boring cop-out by white. So tedious. |
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Sep-13-13
| | Check It Out: <Marmot PFL: Always good to see black win an exchange Spanish ending.> Yes. I believe the theory of the exchange Spanish is for white to saddle black with doubled pawns on the majority side, exchange down to an advantageous endgame, and then convert. Carlsen really has the middle-to-endgame transition down; maybe this opening choice was not the best on Kamsky's part. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Marmot PFL: Maybe Kamsky was surprised by 14...Ng4, which is much less common than 14...Bc5 (lots of games). In the game line there is an old game where Fritz played 16 Kh1 and beat Beliavsky, but that was rapid where a computer would have more edge. |
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Sep-13-13
 | | tamar: Transmission did miraculously revive for the interviews, but Maurice Ashley disapointingly did not ask either player why after 44...a4 45 bxa4 was not played. Carlsen thought for quite a while before playing this move, so must have examined the forcing lines in depth. For example after 45...Rd4 White has two plausible continuations 46 Rb2 and 46 a5. Either looks to give good chances of a draw. I don't know why Kamsky would not try for these. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Pulo y Gata: Very impressive play from Carlsen as almost always! Amazing. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | csmath: How do you beat Magnus if you do not get any advantage out of the opening? Kamsky "succeeded" to lose a pawn in the well known unambitious opening. With white pieces. 22. c3?
[White gives a pawn but that does not releases him and he is completely without any compensation. It is not difficult to calculate mostly forced variation:
22. Rb1 Rd1, 23. Kf2 Bd4+, 24. Ne3 Nf4, 25.Rd2 Bxe3+, 26. Kxe3 Rxd2, 27. Bxd2 Nxd2+, 28. Kf2 Nf4, 29. Bxf4 Rxf4, 30. Rd1 gives some drawing chances.] 36. ... Be7?!
[I think this is by intention. Magnus knows that 36. ...Nxb2, 37. Rxb2 Ba3, 38. Rc2 Rd2, 39. Rf2 Rxf2, 40. Kxf2 Bxc1, 41. Rxc1 Rd2+, 42. Kf3 Rxa2 could be easier ending for white to play although it is likely lost.] 45. Rd2?!
[45. bxa4 Rd4, 46. a5! Rxe4, 47. a6 b5 48. Rxc6 Bc6, 49. a7! Ra4, 50. Be3 looks more resilient to me.] 45. ...Rxd2
[Again practical decision, bishop ending is likely lost and exchanging rooks is not to the white advantage. I think Kamsky is tired and wants to finish the game.] I think the resulting ending is likely lost although Kamsky seems to be making it easier on Magnus with 48. g4?
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50. Bc3?
Good ending decision by Magnus that I know will be criticized without merit. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | parisattack: Carlsen beats Kamsky who plays Fischer's old Barendregt line, 5. 0-0. Fischer beat Gligoric (black), Portisch and Jimenez at Havana 1966 when he rolled it out as white. Carlsen is just amazing! Capablanca with a will-to-win. I hope Anand is at the top of his game for the match... |
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Sep-13-13
 | | perfidious: <CIO:....I believe the theory of the exchange Spanish is for white to saddle black with doubled pawns on the majority side, exchange down to an advantageous endgame, and then convert.> That is the theory-practice is something else again. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | csmath: I think this games smells of exhaustion. I think Kamsky's choices from opening on indicate that he was not ready for the conflict and that his energy level was simply too low. Kamsky in his "good" edition does not shy from complications but in this game he was making ill-advised simplifications on a few places. Notably 22nd, 45th, 48th moves not to mentioned unambitious opening. This indicates tiredness.
Magnus' game is really bullitproof, active opening with many precise tactical motives and then the middlegame that is perfectly logical to me, I do not have a single move that is worth criticizing, even his refusal to go into rook ending makes perfect sense to me as bishop ending is preferable. The end of the game is also mastery. Yet another impressive win albeit with the opponent that seems dispirited. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | csmath: <If so, he is getting old too fast..they both just came back from a day off..> Is it hard to explain why Kamsky has chosen Exchange Ruy Lopez. Ordinarily this is when people want a fast and easy draw but Magnus was not going to give him a short draw ... he should have known that! |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Kaspablanca: Anand, be carefull because Carlsen is geting better and better. |
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Sep-13-13
 | | piltdown man: He makes it look so easy. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Abdel Irada: <chancho: Carlsen and greatness.... synonymous!> Close.
Magnus is Latin for "great"; for "greatness," however, he would have to be named Magnitudo. ∞ |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Abdel Irada: <Check It Out: <Marmot PFL: Always good to see black win an exchange Spanish ending.> Yes. I believe the theory of the exchange Spanish is for white to saddle black with doubled pawns on the majority side, exchange down to an advantageous endgame, and then convert.> "Between the opening and the endgame, the gods have placed the middlegame." White should have a better ending if he can reach it without making concessions. But in the middlegame those two bishops, on an open board, seem to outweigh the theoretical pawn-structure advantage, and often give Black a strong attack. ∞ |
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| Sep-13-13 | | Pulo y Gata: <Kamsky "succeeded" to lose a pawn in the well known unambitious opening. With white pieces. 22. c3?
[White gives a pawn but that does not releases him and he is completely without any compensation. It is not difficult to calculate mostly forced variation: 22. Rb1 Rd1, 23. Kf2 Bd4+, 24. Ne3 Nf4, 25.Rd2 Bxe3+, 26. Kxe3 Rxd2, 27. Bxd2 Nxd2+, 28. Kf2 Nf4, 29. Bxf4 Rxf4, 30. Rd1 gives some drawing chances.]> In your line above, I think 24.Ne5 Would be marginally better For Black and White needs to be careful in trying to extricate from the positional bind. One line would be 25. Rd2 Ng4+ 26. Ke2 Nxe3 27.Rxd1 Nxd1 28.Kxd1, which may be holdable for White. On Kamsky's opening choice, he had played the exchange variation and even the delayed exchange many times in the past and it didn't mean he's looking to draw his game. Perhaps your conjecture is correct, but it could also be wrong. It is also possible that he wanted a quiet game wherein he could gain a small advantage and push for more without much risk, this is like playing like Carlsen against Carlsen himself. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. Kamsky also possesses a very high level understanding of positions and he's been known to play "harmless" openings against the very best (remember the c3 move against Aronian in the previous round? And his many London opening games?) and even win them on occasions. This isn't one of those occasions, but I'd rather take his statement about what he wanted to do in this tournament (where "nothing's at stake") which is to play (interesting) chess than guess his motives because he loss. |
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| Sep-13-13 | | ptrckmackay: On Kamsky's game what is wrong with 22. Rb1 instead of the c3 played by Kamsky giving up a pawn with no compensation. |
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