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Jan-11-21
 | | al wazir: <Infohunter: I have to wonder how Black thought he was going to gain sufficient compensation for the Knight.> What about 8...Bb4+ ?
If 9. Kb3, then 9...Qxe4 10. Nc3 Nd4+ 11. Kxb4 c5+ 12. Ka3 Nc2+ 13. Kb3 Nd4+ 14. Ka4 (14. Ka3 is a draw) Qc6+ 15. Nb5 a6 looks better for black. If 9. Kd3, then 9...Nxe5+ 10. Kc2 Qxe4+ 11. Bd3 Nxd3 12. Qxd3 Qxd3+ 13. Kxd3 d6 looks decent. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Messiah: <Phony Benoni: I have to wonder if this was meant to be "Painted by Numbers", since Black's name can be easily twisted into "Picasso". And, personally, I would not consider submitting this as a GOTD. There's nothing memorable or even amusing about the game. Or else I'm just missing the point.>
For me it is interesting how Black's opening went faulty*, especially in view of being a correspondence game. The pun is a crime against humanity, as usual. Nothing makes a huge surprise today. *I am not (yet?) convinced that Black's opening preparation was messed up big time. I am not even convinced that in the final position White is winning, it would require more than 3 assigned minutes, to analyze it properly. Maybe in the evening I will have time for it. A proper timing will be required for a b6, to build a l'Hermet-style position, where Black can defend until Ragnarök happens, especially if the a8 rook can get activated while the a-pawn is still defended somehow. Much more analysis should be done, again. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: I used to play the Budapest, and I wouldn't have tried that line in a blitz game, let alone in correspondence chess. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Infohunter: <al wazir> After 9. Kb3 Qxe4 White seems to have something of a better way of repelling the attack with 10. a3, e.g. 10...d5 11. exd6 Bxd6 12.Ka2 Be6 13. Nc3, and now what does Black have? |
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Jan-11-21
 | | offramp: He was only five foot three but girls could not resist his stare. |
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Jan-11-21
 | | OhioChessFan: <Phony: I have to wonder if this was meant to be "Painted by Numbers", > No.
<since Black's name can be easily twisted into "Picasso".> Yes.
<And, personally, I would not consider submitting this as a GOTD. There's nothing memorable or even amusing about the game.> Okay. That's not how I remember things.
<Or else I'm just missing the point.> The point is a bit of wordplay that is hopefully amusing. I guess I should have used a different Kipasso game. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | morfishine: <Phony Benoni: I have to wonder if this was meant to be "Painted by Numbers", since Black's name can be easily twisted into "Picasso".
And, personally, I would not consider submitting this as a GOTD. There's nothing memorable or even amusing about the game. Or else I'm just missing the point> You are not missing anything. <OhioChessFan> has stated repeatedly over the years that he doesn't care about the quality of chess games (which begs the question: what kind of person visits a chess website daily for over 20 years, but really doesn't care about the quality of chess games?) and this is a classical GOTD submission by <OhioChessFan>: Pathetic, low quality game attached to an equally pathetic game title. 'Pained' is an accurate description of this whole effort The real question becomes "Who approves this crap?" |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Brenin: <I guess I should have used a different Kipasso game> Fortunately for the rest of us there isn't another one in the database. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | goodevans: Nice wordplay. As for the game, black's sac was interesting but the interest ran out once white had shown it to be unsound. <Infohunter: I have to wonder how Black thought he was going to gain sufficient compensation for the Knight.> The thing that makes this particularly difficult to understand is that it's a correspondence game. Maybe black intended an attack along the lines of <al wazir>'s suggestion, realising as he went along that this wouldn't work, or maybe he was after a quick draw by repetition (not entirely unheard of in correspondence chess) and miscalculated. Here's what I'm thinking for the latter:
After <6...Qh4+> white can't play 7.g3 because 7...Qxe4+ would win the R. A few moves later black could have played <9...Qf4+> and we'd almost be back to where we were after 7...Qf4+. The crucial difference is that white no longer has a pawn on e5 so <10. Ke1 Qh4+> can now safely be answered by <11.g3 Qxe4+ 12.Qe2> leaving white better. <al wazir: [...] What about 8...Bb4+ ? If 9. Kb3, then 9...Qxe4 10. Nc3 Nd4+ 11. Kxb4 c5+ 12. Ka3 Nc2+ 13. Kb3 Nd4+ 14. Ka4 (14. Ka3 is a draw) Qc6+ 15. Nb5 a6 looks better for black.> Indeed it does but there are improvements for both sides in that line: <10. a3> before playing Nc3 makes a refuge for the K. <15.Ka3 Qa6+ 16.Na4> and the attack peters out. <15...Qa6#> is even better than 15...a6. ;o) |
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| Jan-11-21 | | paavoh: <For me it is interesting how Black's opening went faulty*, especially in view of being a correspondence game.> I think this was one of the thematic tournaments by IECG where you were forced to play a specific opening line. If my memory can be relied upon, "P" refers to a preliminary group, where players of different levels met. Could be wrong though. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | goodevans: <paavoh: [...] I think this was one of the thematic tournaments by IECG where you were forced to play a specific opening line.> Do you know how far along a particular opening line play would begin? Given that in this line the move <5...Nbc6> is both rare and dubious, to say the least, then if this were one of those tournaments it would seem a bit harsh to find you're starting the game having already made that move. |
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Jan-11-21
 | | MissScarlett: <Painted by Numbers> would, at least, have made sense, since some of Picasso's work looks like he did a #2 on canvas and smeared it about. It's known as his 'Brown Period'. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Z4all: J Rezek vs P Kipasso, 2001 (kibitz #15) Leave it to ye Olde <Scarlett> to post illuminating, elucidating, and elevating comments here on <CG>. A Miss inspiration to us all. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | goodevans: Seeing the reference to both pain and number in the pun reminded me of this Daily Telegraph Cryptic Crossword clue, ca.1980: <Together it's factors make it an ideal anaesthetic (7, 6)> |
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Jan-11-21
| | OhioChessFan: <Together <it's> factors make it an ideal anaesthetic (7, 6)> Please tell me the mistake was yours and not theirs... |
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| Jan-11-21 | | goodevans: Mine entirely (hides head in shame). |
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Jan-11-21
| | offramp: <goodevans: ...<Together it's factors make it an ideal anaesthetic (7, 6)>> Perfect number.
I do The Times and they seem to have stopped using <anaesthetic> for <number>, which was always a bit tenuous. They still use <flower> for <river>, though - but I'm glad about that because I know much more about rivers than I do about flowers. WHAT RANKLES ABOUT TODAY'S PUN is that Pablo Kipasso is clearly a pseudonym, invented for the renowned <TE..P.00908 email (2001) (correspondence)> tournament. It leaves the door open for a kibitzer to invent two pseudonyms, use them at LiChess, submit the game, then construct a Pun around them. For example, <Aiwass-Loki Farage-a-Bandana Fanta-Jab, And Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now.> Something like that. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | ajile: With queens gone 2 pawns plus doubled black c pawns don't provide enough compensation for Black for the piece. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | goodevans: <Aiwass-Loki Farage-a-Bandana Fanta-Jab, And Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now.> Tried that first in Manc (obviously) but I can only seem to make in work in broad Geordie. Maybe I'm being picky. |
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| Jan-11-21 | | RandomVisitor: "The Knight Arriving" - a title of one of Picasso's works... After 3...Ng4
click for larger viewthe game continued 4.e4 Nxe5 5.f4
click for larger viewblack might have thought he had some compensation with the knight sac. Guess not. Stockfish_21010817_x64_modern:
47/62 1:15:46 +0.77 4.e3 Nxe5 5.f4 Nec6 6.Nc3 g6 7.b3 Bg7 8.Bb2 d6 9.Qd2 0-0 10.Nge2 Nd7 11.Ng3 Nc5 12.Be2 a5 13.0-0 Nb4 14.e4 f5 47/56 1:15:46 +0.59 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 6.Nc3 0-0 7.Na4 Be7 8.Be2 Ngxe5 9.Nxe5 Nxe5 10.0-0 d6 11.Qc2 a5 12.b3 Bf6 13.Rb1 Re8 14.Bb2 Nd7 <47/43 1:15:46 +0.54 4.e4 Nxe5 5.f4 Nec6> 6.Nc3 Bc5 7.Qg4 0-0 8.f5 d6 9.Nf3 Re8 10.Bg5 f6 11.Bh6 Qe7 12.0-0-0 Qf7 13.h4 Nd7 14.Nd5 Nde5 46/61 1:05:54 +0.77 4.Bf4 Bb4+ 5.Nc3 Bxc3+ 6.bxc3 Nc6 7.Nf3 Qe7 8.Qd5 f6 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Qd3 d6 11.g3 0-0 12.Bg2 h6 13.0-0 Ne5 14.Qe3 Re8 |
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| Jan-11-21 | | RandomVisitor: Going to the IECG and downloading the collection of games, here is the pgn of this game as archived: [Event "TE.2001.P.00908"]
[Site "IECG"]
[Date "2001.12.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rezek, Jakub"]
[Black "Kipasso, Pablo"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A52"]
[<WhiteElo "1500">]
[<BlackElo "800">]
[PlyCount "35"]
[EventDate "2001.12.09"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. e4 Nxe5 5. f4 Nbc6 6. fxe5 Qh4+ 7. Kd2 Qf4+
8. Kc3 Qxe5+ 9. Kd2 Qd4+ 10. Ke1 Qxe4+ 11. Qe2 Qe6 12. Nf3 Bb4+ 13. Kf2 d6 14.
Qxe6+ fxe6 15. Be3 O-O 16. a3 Bc5 17. Bxc5 dxc5 18. Nc3 <withdrawn> 1-0 Note that black withdrew from the tournament at this point. Note that black's ELO is 800. This was also a Budapest Defense theme tournament where the game actually started after 2...e5. Here is another game from that tournament where 'Kipasso' as black plays 5...Nbc6: [Event "TE.2001.P.00908"]
[Site "IECG"]
[Date "2001.12.09"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Krzyzanowski, Patryk"]
[Black "Kipasso, Pablo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A52"]
[WhiteElo "2138"]
[BlackElo "800"]
[PlyCount "12"]
[EventDate "2001.12.09"]
[EventType "tourn (corr)"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 Ng4 4. e4 Nxe5 5. f4 Nbc6 6. Be3 Bb4+ forfeit 0-1 |
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| Jan-11-21 | | Diana Fernanda: With so many games out there, I wonder why Chessgames publishes these boring games. |
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Jan-11-21
| | OhioChessFan: With so many games out there, I wonder why <Diana> kibitzed on this game. |
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Jan-11-21
 | | FSR: <Phony Benoni: . . . I would not consider submitting this as a GOTD. There's nothing memorable or even amusing about the game.> I second that emotion. Horrid choice for GOTD. |
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| Jan-12-21 | | RandomVisitor: Best play after 3...Ng4 appears to be 4.e3 followed by 5.f4:
click for larger viewStockfish_21010817_x64_modern:
<57/68 11:46:12 +0.87 4.e3 Nxe5 5.f4 Nec6> 6.Nc3 g6 7.b3 Bg7 8.Bb2 0-0 9.Qd2 d6 10.Nge2 Nd7 11.Ng3 a5 12.Be2 Nc5 13.0-0 Nb4 14.f5 Be5 56/73 11:46:12 +0.62 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 6.a3 a5 7.Nc3 0-0 8.Ne4 b6 9.Bd2 Ngxe5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.f4 Nc6 12.Qh5 Qe7 13.Bd3 f5 14.Nxc5 bxc5 56/69 11:46:12 +0.62 4.Bf4 Bb4+ 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Nf3 Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Qe7 8.Qd5 f6 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Qd3 d6 11.g3 0-0 12.Bg2 Re8 13.0-0 Qxe2 14.Qxe2 Rxe2 |
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