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Jan-17-07
 | | Gypsy: <acirce: ... Perhaps for once Kramnik should have gone for a sharper opening.> I think Kramnik chose opening well. And it nearly worked out. In contrast, chosing the sharper course of action against Navara seems to be a rather risky business. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | hitman84: Nicely fought game!
Navara handled the ending very well.
58...e2! was a good counter.
58...e2 59.Ke2 Ke4 leads to draw. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | notyetagm: <Shajmaty: Neither his better pawn structure nor (later) his bishop pair were enough for Kramnik today. Great defence by Navara.> Yes, it's very difficult to win against strong opposition when your "advantage" is virtually nonexistent. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | positionalgenius: 60.Re1 wins,right? |
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Jan-17-07
 | | Honza Cervenka: <positionalgenius: 60.Re1 wins,right?> Probably not. If 60.Re1, then 60...Rg2 61.Rxe2 (61.b6 Rxg3+ 62.Kc4 Rh3 63.b7 Rh8 64.Kb5 Ke4 65.Rxe2+ Kf3 66.Ra2 Rb8 67.Kc6 g3=) 61...Rxg3+ 62.Kc4 (62.Re3 Rxe3+ 63.Kxe3 Ke5=) 62...Rh3 63.b6 Rh8 64.Kd4 g3 65.Rb2 Kf4 66.b7 Rb8 = |
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Jan-17-07
| | Honza Cervenka: <Yes, it's very difficult to win against strong opposition when your "advantage" is virtually nonexistent.> I had seen this game on-line till the move 29 of white (I had to leave watching it because I had to play a game of my own in Prague team championship) and I was almost sure that Kramnik is going to win here. I was able to calculate that 29...Rb8! 30.Bxd8 Rxd8 31.Ra1 Rd1+ 32.Kg2 Ke7 keeps all material but I was not certain that black can hold such a position for long. I am glad that I was wrong. Excellent defense by Navara and quite good performance of Kramnik, of course. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | acirce: <I think Kramnik chose opening well. And it nearly worked out. In contrast, chosing the sharper course of action against Navara seems to be a rather risky business.> Ok, well you know Navara much better than me. My impression was that he still has a problem with openings, and so perhaps in this specific case entering something sharper that Kramnik knows well could be relatively likely to pay off rather than entering an endgame with a tiny advantage against someone who is (supposedly) known for endgame and defensive skills. But it was just speculation. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | slomarko: only that kramnik seems to have a big problem with sharper positions. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | Lt. Col. Majid: <chancho: It wont get any easier for Kramnik in the next two rounds. He has Ponomariov and Anand to deal with.> This is where u are wrong. Assuming that cos he didn't beat Navara so he wouldn't beat Pono or Anand. Conversely, he could also lose to them. Anything can happen. Apart from Wely, Tiviakov, the rest are quite capable of kicking each other's butts. The tournament has a long way to go yet. Fatigue/mental stress would start taking its toll by rd 9 or so. Anything can happen.
Just stay tuned... |
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| Jan-17-07 | | mack: <only that kramnik seems to have a big problem with sharper positions.> You wot? |
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Jan-17-07
 | | chancho: <Lt.Col.Majid> I was just pointing out that he has two strong opponents coming in back to back games. Yes, Kramnik is capable of beating both of them, (no doubt) just as they are capable of beating him. Let's hope it's the former. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | Lt. Col. Majid: <mack:> <only that kramnik seems to have a big problem with sharper positions.>
<You wot?>
Don't waste ya time reasoning with slomarko. He is in a league of his own:) |
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| Jan-17-07 | | me to play: <Anything can happen. Apart from Wely, Tiviakov, the rest are quite capable of kicking each other's butts.>
Actually, Wely and Tiviakov are quite capable also of beating any of the players in this field. |
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Jan-17-07
| | Gypsy: <acirce: <I think Kramnik chose opening well. And it nearly worked out. In contrast, chosing the sharper course of action against Navara seems to be a rather risky business.> Ok, well you know Navara much better than me. My impression was that he still has a problem with openings, and so perhaps in this specific case entering something sharper that Kramnik knows well could be relatively likely to pay off...> Yes, Navara's opening play is often suspect. It just that Navara is such an unorthodox and tactical player, that with that sharp position there would also come a relatively good chance of a serious backfire. (IMKO) <notyetagm:... Yes, it's very difficult to win against strong opposition when your "advantage" is virtually nonexistent.> I started to watch the game right after the <33.Kf3>, and I thought that Navara has already been blown off the board: How do you extricate from such a tangle and still tell the tale? Objectively, you must be right (a Steinitz rule), but to thread such minefields and draw from the position is a very impressive display of defending. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | alicefujimori: It was obvious that Kramnik had a slight edge throughout the game even into the endgame phase where one mistake by Navara could have cost him the point. So it was right for Kramnik to play on hoping to outplay his opponent in the endgame. Fortunately, Navara was up to the task and his accurate endgame technique should be admired. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | falso contacto: glad to see kramnik returning to his early repertoire. fits well with his style. |
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| Jan-17-07 | | Necessary Truths: <sharkw: @Necessary Truths: After 57. Rd5+ Ke6 58. Kd4 Rh3 black should be able to capture the g3 pawn and get back in time to stop the b-pawn.> If 58. ... Rh3, then 59. b6 Rxg3 60. Rb5 and it sure looks like white can win... He can get a R vs 2P situation at least. If instead 59. ... Rh7 or some other rook move, then black has merely wasted a tempo with 58. ... Rh3. |
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| Jan-18-07 | | Atking: Yes Navarra was always in danger to lost but defend very well this ending. Seeing the game until the end I think Black save itself when his King got in life. May be an idea is 31.f4!? with f5. The point of that move is to get a passed pawns b or e with B vs N. |
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| Jan-21-07 | | Necessary Truths: Kramnik missed a win at move 57!
If he had played 57. Rd5+ Ke6 (57. ... Kf6/Kg6 58. Rd6+ Kg7 59. Rxh6 Kxh6  ) 58. Kd4 the position is won for white! For example:
58. ... Rh3 59. b6 Rxg3 60. Rb5 and black can do no better than to sack his rook for the pawn and his two pawns will soon fall. or 58. ... Rh1 59. Re5+ Kd6 60. Rxe4 Rb1 61. Kc4 and it may take twenty moves, but the win is there. I think Kramnik needs to study his rook+pawn endgames a bit better. |
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| Jan-21-07 | | clocked: <Necessary Truths> 60.Rb5 Rd3+ and the rook comes back to defend |
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Jan-21-07
| | Gypsy: <Necessary Truths> You seem to see phantom variations. After your <57. Rd5+ Ke6 58. Kd4 Rh3 59. b6 Rxg3 60. Rb5>, Black simply draws by
60...Rd3+ 61.Kxe4 Rd8 62.b7 Rb8 63.Kf4 Kd7 =.
Sorry if the eplicitness seem a bit pedantic, but I gave the variation all the way, because you seem to have a blind spot somewhere along the way. |
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| Jan-21-07 | | Necessary Truths: You're right, I missed 60. ... Rd3+. Perhaps, 57. Rd5+ Ke6 58. Rg5 would lead to win, it earns a pawn at least. |
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| Jan-26-07 | | Whack8888: Could some explain why 60. Kd4 instead of 60. b6? It seems that Kd4 is a waste of a move to me. |
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Jan-26-07
| | Gypsy: t seems that Kd4 is a waste of a move to me.> White was still fishing for some error from Black. The variation <60.b6 e1Q 61.Rxe1 Rb2 => leads to a simple draw because the b-pawn simply falls -- White king is too far back and White rook can not go to e6 because of Black king. Btw, Navara's endgames tend to be full of tactical nuances like that. |
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| Jan-26-07 | | Whack8888: <Gypsy> Ok, thanks--yeah this is really good endgame play by Navara. I especially like how he gives up his c5 pawn so that he can trap White's King on f4--forcing White to give up the e pawn |
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