Dec-11-06
 | | Phony Benoni: In "The Golden Treasury of Chess", Horowitz gives the game ending with 24.Rc8!!! One can only wish that is what happened. |
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| Dec-12-06 | | SBC: <Phony Benoni>
I notice that too.
Horowitz is definitely wrong then?
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Dec-13-06
| | Phony Benoni: <SBC> I don't know for sure, but it seems likely that when there is a conflict between a beautiful and a prosaic ending the latter is more likely correct. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | SBC: <Phony Benoni>
Thanks. That's a good observation.
Horowitz called 24. R-B8!!!! "one of the most amazing winning moves on record" and I tended to agree with him... except, now I learn it's not necessarily "on record." O well. |
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| Dec-13-06 | | Resignation Trap: Bronstein <not> playing <<24.Rc8!!>>? Are you sure? If it were some player other than <Bronstein>, I would have an easier time believing the given score. |
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| Dec-14-06 | | Chessdreamer: More about this tournament:
http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv... |
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Dec-14-06
| | Phony Benoni: <Chessdreamer> Interesting! A great tournament for Sokolsky, defeating Boleslavsky, Tolush and Bronstein along the way. The file of games includes Bronstein--Goldenov with the 24.Qf4 ending. |
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| Jan-04-07 | | the idiot prince: According to W.H. Golombek in the Penguin Handbook of Chess (1969 reprint ed., pp. 68-69, diagram 66)the final move by Bronstein is R-B8! |
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| Feb-15-07 | | Aspirador: The position is so completely won for white. It seems unlikely that Bronstein would spend a lot of time looking for a move like 24.Rc8. Probably just a legend. |
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| Aug-20-10 | | Everett: What is another winning line for white? |
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Aug-20-10
| | Phony Benoni: Position after <23...Qd8>
click for larger view<Everett> The alternate winning method is 24.Qf4 attacking the queen, followed by 25.a4 and the knight is trapped, but dares not move anyway because of the threat of 26.Rc7. That was the version originally given on this page, but I see the score has been changed to the <24.Rc8> ending. <Aspirador> This was not a hard move to find, and probably required less calculation from Bronstein that 24.Qf4 would have. Were it a chessgames.com puzzle, I wouldn't expect to see it later than Wednesday or Thursday. Brilliance does not always equal difficulty. The basic idea of <24.Rc8> is well known. When a queen or rook sits on the back rank defending mate, moving an unprotected rook to the rank may pin the protecting piece, causing it to lose control of the mating square. Here's one of many, many examples, from Harrwitz vs Szen, 1851:
click for larger viewAnd <19.Re8!> is essentially the same idea as Bronstein's <24.Rc8>. He adds a couple of little extra tricks, but would have had no trouble finding the move. |
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| Nov-22-10 | | sevenseaman: Bronstein had the right tools and a ripe moment to push for a sharp win. |
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| Dec-28-10 | | thickhead: If on the same page 24.Qf4 had appeared before, chessgames.com team would tell us why score was changed. They must be having a very strong reason to do so |
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| Dec-28-10 | | thickhead: With 2 rooks doubled on c file Bronstein might always had attack on c8 in mind all the while. So at this juncture where mate at e7 is also a posibility,hitting on 24.Rc8 was not hard to see and players want publicity with bizarre moves and also with desire to end the game quickly and forcefully. Hence 34.Rc8 might have been played. |
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| Jan-10-14 | | MarkFinan: Bronstein misses a beautiful little trick here..
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13.Bxg6!! If black recaptures the bishop then it could carry on like this... 14.Qxg6+ ..kd7(forced because ke7 loses the h8 rook and leads to the same position anyway.. rookless, lol) 15.Qg7+ ..kc6 16.Kxe4+ and as I'm sure you can see.. Blacks king is in Big trouble in little china
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| Jun-26-17 | | DeanS: Can someone walk me through this. I don't see it. |
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| Jun-26-17 | | Boomie: <DeanS: Can someone walk me through this. I don't see it.> If you are referring to the final position, notice that the black queen and rook are overworked. The queen has to defend e7 and therefore can only watch helplessly at the carnage on c8. The rook is trying to defend c8 and d8. This is a rare example of two pieces being overworked. |
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| Jun-26-17 | | DeanS: Thanks very much Boomie. I see it now. Up to number 197 in chess puzzles and only been stumped twice. |
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Jun-26-17
 | | MKD: <MarkFinan> You mean 12.BXg6. What is the continuation if Black plays 12....Rg8 pinning the Bishop? |
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Jan-06-22
| | Phony Benoni: After <8.bxc3>:
click for larger viewIt's hard to believe the eventual winning move will be <24.Rc8!>, By the way the game appears in "Chess Review" December 1945, p. p. 36, with 24.Rc8 and notes by Yudovich, indicating a Soviet source. |
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Jan-06-22
 | | keypusher: < Phony Benoni: After <8.bxc3>: click for larger view
It's hard to believe the eventual winning move will be <24.Rc8!>,> I have a hard time believing it on move 23!
What's remarkable about it to me is that c8 seems more than adequately protected -- that's not usually the case in these kinds of combinations. I think in the Harrwitz-Szen position you posted I'd find Re8 right away, but Rc8 in this game would take me a long time, if not forever. |
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