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| Jul-17-05 | | TruthHurts: Great game, Bacrot played perfectly in the endgame. It's amazing how Bacrot convert what was looking like a drawish boring game into a winning one. This is Karpov style he exploited minimal innacuracies until the bad 32.f5 from Kramnik, this mistake has maybe something to do with the fact that Kramnik was in time trouble at this time, having 10 minutes for 8 mooves while Bacrot had 20 minutes. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | WMD: How many losses is that for Kramnik so far this year? It could be an annual record for a sitting world champion. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | JoeyCJK: I just don't get it! I know Kramnik had less time, but why did he play 32...f5 when clearly he should play something like 32...Rc7 to prevent losing a pawn. Even I can see that.
Kramnik probably thought he could hold the rook ending a pawn down, but his c-pawn is going to be left hanging! |
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| Jul-17-05 | | dragon40: Great Game!!
I am glad that this tournament was a pretty successful one as far as the fighting Chess that MOST of the players went for. Lot of good hard fought games, whether they be win, lose or draw. The result was great as well...Bacrot deserved this Win and he earned it by playing really excellent Chess.
Id say I feel bad for Kramnik, but that would be a lie!! Credit where credit is due, great game by Bacrot and Excellent tournament in general Id say! |
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| Jul-17-05 | | euripides: If 32...Rc7 doesn't White have very good winning chances with 33 Rxc7 Qxc7 34 Qb1 followed by 35 Qb7 ? |
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| Jul-17-05 | | JoeyCJK: Hmm, not totally sure, but on 33 Rxc7 Qxc7 34 Qb1 , black can play 34...Qf7. Then on 35.Qb7, black doesn't take on b7 but does something else eg. 35...g5 After this, black is not afraid to lose the c-pawn because he can take the pawn on c4. Seems better than the situation arising after 35...f5. |
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| Jul-17-05 | | notyetagm: Beautiful endgame play by Bacrot.
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| Jul-17-05 | | Calli: On 32...Rc7 33.Rxc7+ Qxc7 34.Qb1 Qf7 35.Qb7 g5 36.Kf3! and then 36...Kg6 37.Qxc6 Qxc4 38.Qe4+ Qxe4+ 39.Kxe4 is a lost endgame. So it appears that white can continue Ke3-d3 and protect the c4 pawn. The other possibility for Black is moving the king to g8 or f8 but that looks bad to me also. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | iron maiden: Didn't Kramnik turn down a draw offer here? |
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| Jul-18-05 | | ashalpha: 35...Re7(a move too late) should hold at least a draw for Black. ICC posted this move at 35(vice 35...exf4) and I thought dead draw. Looked again and it was 35...exf4 and Black resigned!!! looked again and the game continued. I was slightly drunk while watching and just thought it hilarious. Some lines for 35...Re7: 1.) 36.Rxc5!? exf4!37.gxf4 Rxe2+ 38.Kg1(38.Kf3 Rxh2 39.Rc7+ Ke6 40.Rxa7 Kd6 it is white who has to hold the draw which he probably can)Ke8 41. Rc7 Re7= as 42.Rxe7 loses. 2.) 36.Kf3(I think best though someone should be turning a computer right about now as I only do this for fun with no time for "serious" chess)Ke8 37.Rxc5 (37.fxe4 Kd7 38. Rxc5 Re6 39.Rb5 Rxa6 40.Rb7+ Ke6=) Kd7! and white is forced to transpose to the other line. Any one with a computer with analysis I would love to see it (should buy myself one for my birthday). |
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| Jul-18-05 | | ashalpha: Looked at the game again and 38. Rxf5 after 37... Kd7 transposes to the game. So 37. Rxc5 on my second line has to be 37...e4+ 38. Ke3 Kd7 39. Rb5 Kc6=. Any other move other than an immediate 37. Rxc5 can be answered by Kd7. Still no computers? Please....!!!!! |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: <ashalpha>,
Ok I've put my computer and the best moove according to fritz is Kramnik's one 35.exf4 your moove gives a +1.6 for white. Before 35.f4 from Bacrot, Kramnik was already down in the evaluations:+1.4. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: 35.Re7 36.fxe5(+1.6 for black)... |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: Whites always had been better in this game and Kramnik played badly starting from 32.f5, though white had an advantage before but still not decisive, before this bad moove. After, in the king endgame, Kramnik played well, but it was too late, Bacrot played also the right mooves and he won. |
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Jul-18-05
 | | Gypsy: To me, it seems that Kramnik was trying too hard to force something hapening. The key Black inacuracy seems to be the maneuver 25...Re8?! 28...Rd8, as Black probably had no time for that. Were Kramnik not pushing for a win, I'd expect him to play something along the lines 25...g6, and if 26.a4 Kf7 27.a5 Ke6 ... we see a great improvement for Black because of the position oh his king. In turn, Bacrot's play impresses; he did not play any such artificially optimistic constructs but stuck to rather natural strong moves. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: <Gypsy>, I agree, and actually it seems that Bacrot offered a draw earlier in the game but Kramnik refused it. He broke his teeths by pushing hard with doubtfull mooves while Bacrot played strong accurate ones. Remember also that Kramnik had only 10 minutes to play his last 8 mooves before the time control it can explanes his inaccuracies...
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Jul-18-05
| | Gypsy: <TruthHurts> By temperament, Kramnik's style resembles that of a boxing counter-puncher. Capablanca, Smyslov, or Petrosian come to mind, but Kramnik is not as smooth as Smyslov or Capablanca, and not as strategically deep or pythonish as Petrosian. Kramnik's technique is brilliant and he is especially strong coordinating his minor pieces. Yet, for some reason that I can not quite discern, Kramnik's style also feels a bit clunky (expecially with heavy piecess). Lately, Kramnik has been trying out different, more forcing styles of play. He is not completely comfortable fighting out of his usual style but he is trying to broaden his skil set. For me, it is actually fun to see him doing that, despite of all the grief (sp?) he gets from us kibitzers. Either he will succeed (he already seems more confortable than he did in Bulgaria) and will achieve a quantum leap in his chess power; or, more likely, he will go back to his couterpunching style for his big matches and such. Either way, it will not be easy to take the title away from him. Kasparov would likely do it, Topalov or Anand could do it, but it will not be easy. As for Bacrot -- I realy like the chess I saw from him. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: <Gypsy> again I agree, by the way Kramnik is still a strong champion, he won 6 times in a row Dortmund. This guy is so good than when he gets an even score in a tournament like here, people talk about a bad tournament. What about Leko then (-1), Kramnik just kept his world title last year and is just having a worse year. This can be explained by the fact he changed playing d4 to e4, also because he lost a bit of motivation after the world champ match and also because he tried to play a bit more agressivly. Now I still think that in a match where he will be preparing a lot, he's going to be hard to beat... |
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| Jul-18-05 | | iron maiden: Kramnik's not a strong champion; he's certainly nothing special when compared to past holders of the title. I wouldn't even put him in the top ten. But he is the legitimate world chess champion. |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: <Pinkpanther> after the h5 story now the Adams 2005 record story, when you will stop saying crap? What's next ? Adams had beaten a computer yesterday? lol ;). |
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| Jul-18-05 | | TruthHurts: <But he is the legitimate world chess champion.> <Ironmaden>
True at least we can say that ;)... |
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| Jul-18-05 | | Ulhumbrus: 18...Qf7 instead of 18...Rab8 allowed Bacrot to bring the favourable ending about. With Kramnik's queen on g6 removed to f7, he was able to play Qe4, occupying this central point with the queen. Compare this with 18... Rab8 19 Bxc6 bxc6 20 Rxb8 Rxb8 21 Bxc5 dxc5 when it is Black who has the better of it. |
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Jul-18-05
| | Gypsy: <Ulhumbrus> That's a good point. White would probably not dared to enter that variation. As a food thought : during the game I was calculating 18...Rab8 19.Bxc5 dxc5 20.Qe4 Qxe4 21.Bxe4 Na5(!)... which I considered also slightly favorable for Black. Perhaps Kramnik's hope was that White Q-side activity would distract White rooks and thus he wanted keep queens on board to give his own central/K-side counterstrike a punch with a check-mate potential. Things just did not work out for him like that ... |
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| Jul-18-05 | | Jim Bartle: So...why is that game scoresheets don't include draw offers? |
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| Jul-18-05 | | Bobsterman3000: Bacrot got lucky
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