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Siegbert Tarrasch vs Hermann Hirschler
Nuremberg (1893) (unorthodox), Nuremberg GER
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Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: do they play on until checkmate back then?
Nov-03-20
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  keypusher: <WhiteRook48: do they play on until checkmate back then?>

Not in this case. Tarrach announced mate in five after 27....Nxe5.


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One of those games where the odds-taker is really the odds-giver, since he plays without most of his pieces.

Nov-03-20  offramp: I wonder what shade of handicap is the pawn on a3. What bargaining took place?

"I'll give you a knight odds... No, I tell you what I'll give you a ROOK odds <but I'll start with my a-pawn on a3>. That will make us exactly level."

Nov-03-20
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  keypusher: < offramp: I wonder what shade of handicap is the pawn on a3. What bargaining took place? "I'll give you a knight odds... No, I tell you what I'll give you a ROOK odds <but I'll start with my a-pawn on a3>. That will make us exactly level.">

Odds-giving was serious business in those days (I have a book of pawn-and-move openings saved in the e-cloud https://www.google.com/books/editio...) and they did get into pretty fine distinctions. For whatever it's worth, Andy Soltis wrote that starting with a pawn on a3 was a common feature of R-odds games and you could even castle on the side of the missing rook.

Nov-06-20  offramp: <keypusher: Odds-giving was serious business in those days ... and they did get into pretty fine distinctions. For whatever it's worth, Andy Soltis wrote that starting with a pawn on a3 was a common feature of R-odds games and you could even castle on the side of the missing rook.>

Material odds-giving seems to have died a death nowadays. I remember that Kasparov played Terence Chapman giving various odds, and Michael Adams played Rybka receiving the odds of a pawn and he was beaten like an Orangeman's drum. Those matches were a long time ago.

Giving <time> as odds is not at all the same. The good thing is that the opening set-up is normal so the game is not classed as a "chess variant": this makes it easier to classify and re-publish. In the old days <every> opening in an odds game is "Chess variants (000)". That doesn't help anyone.
The bad thing about a time handicap is that a GM can beat an IM even with one minute to his opponent's 5 minutes. He'll think on his opponent's time anyway. Giving a handicap of 10m versus 1m is even worse. The extra time helps only the odds-<giver>.

We mostly see odds among GMs today in the form of Armageddon games.

Nov-06-20
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  perfidious: Another variant was the capped or ringed knight, with which one had to deliver mate to claim victory; believe the only place I ever saw that was in one of Chernev's collections.

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