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| Mar-08-04 | | Whitehat1963: Just love these old games. |
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| Dec-22-04 | | buscher07: Yes, they are very amusing to see. :) |
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| Mar-31-05 | | nfazli: cant believe how badly he got beat at his own game |
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| May-02-05 | | notyetagm: Nasty:
19 ♔f1 ♕f2#
19 ♔h3 ♕h6#
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| Jun-23-05 | | Knight13: I think 8. Bxf6 gxf6 9. Be2 O-O-O(Qe6 10. Qd2 followed by O-O is fine too) 10. O-O would've been better for White. 10. O-O would've saved white, too. 10. d5 is doubious. |
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| Aug-15-05 | | teme: Hey, I am interested in seeing f4 e5 lines. Got any good websites or games?? |
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| Sep-01-05 | | fudge: <teme>, nearly every game I've found in <chessgames.com> where Bird plays f4 as white, his opponent plays e5 and Bird ends up losing. Now that I think of it, I haven't seen him win with it yet! |
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| Sep-01-05 | | fudge: It's amazing how players can lose by playing exactly the same mid-game and ending against the same opponent. Check out Bird vs Steinitz, 1866. From move 10 the game is identical. |
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| Sep-01-05 | | sneaky pete: <fudge> It's called a duplicate. It's the same game, played in round 6 of their 1866 match, with moves 8 and 9 reversed. 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.Bb5 0-0-0 was played, so the other version Bird vs Steinitz, 1866 is the right one. |
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| Sep-01-05 | | RookFile: Nice to see that Morphy's old punching bag found someone new to slap him around. |
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Sep-01-05
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Bird vs Blackburne, 1879 |
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Sep-01-05
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| Sep-03-05 | | fudge: <sneaky pete> For Bird's sake I hope you're right :D |
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| Sep-03-05 | | fudge: <keypusher> Thanks mate, it's nice to know his opening worked for him at least once :D |
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| May-04-06 | | SJP: <fudge> Bird often loses in this opening because the From Gambit is extremely strong against it. White can only manage to win 31% of the time, according to the Opening Explorer. |
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| May-04-06 | | who: Soltis writes that the best 5th move in this position is "5.g3!
White does not commit himself in the center (5.d4, 5.e3, 5d3) and keeps his plans secret for a few more moves. After 5.d4, for example, Black will quickly occupy the weakened e4 square with a Knight or Bishop." |
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| Jun-13-06 | | OJC: According to chessbase and Gelo's Chess World Championships 2nd. ed. the score for the first 9 moves is: 1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Bg5 Nc6 6.Nf3 Bg4 7.e3 Qd7 8.Bb5 0-0-0 9.Bxf6 gxf6 after which the rest of the game is the same. If Bird played 4.d4 then ...Qh4+ is strong. 10. ...Qe7 is nice and 12.Kf1 looks necessary. After 13.Qd1? Steinitz finds the pretty mating line. |
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| Jun-18-06 | | kidster: Steinitz is the man |
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| Jun-24-07 | | Themofro: <SJP: <fudge> Bird often loses in this opening because the From Gambit is extremely strong against it. White can only manage to win 31% of the time, according to the Opening Explorer.> The From's Gambit is actually quite dubious (?! at best, ? in all lines except full mestrel pretty much) it merely took people a long time to figure it out. Nowadays the From lasker 4...g5 is more or less analysed as  , From Schlecter more or less refuted by 3. Nc3! and the From Mestrel also stands at although the Full Mestrel is more around  (crazy crazy variation, although white has three fine lines leading to advantage white, one of which he has a forced draw in). In addition to accepting the From with a better game white can also 1. transpose to King's Gambit, or 2. decline it (giving back the pawn with positional edge) with a slight edge. it's quite dubious if you know what you are doing and know the lines, you WILL get destroyed however if you don't know them. <Teme> www.video-chess.net is run by a GM who plays it consistently (scores quite well with it too i might add) and contains many of his analysed games or live blitz games with it (although he only plays one variation mainly). Alternatively I personally have started a forum designated specifically to it with all variations covered http://chess-videos.com/forum/viewt.... Also, on the Henry Edward Bird page i've posted a less thorough index variation focusing more on lines instead of theories, alternatively there has been some discussion about it on the Bird's Opening (A02) page. Also, heres a website devoted exclusively to the From's Declined http://www.geocities.com/drawyah/Fr... . As for some From Gambit games, one that shows exactly how to play the From Lasker is (IM vs. GM btw) T Taylor vs J Becerra-Rivero, 2005 which shows exactly what normally happens if white plays correctly, black gets a little attack (for a while every move has a threat) but before too long white's defended everything, clear pawn up with at least a edge. Feel free to ask any question either here, in the Henry E. Bird page, A02 page, or in the chess-videos forum i posted (same welcome extended to all). <Who> It's a bit of a moot point, but against the From Lasker (4...g5) 5. g3! is the move, against the Mestrel however (4...Nf6) 5. d4 is the move as it takes the bite out of the full mestrel. |
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| Aug-17-08 | | Matt SVK: I like these old games with lighting combinations like Anderssen-Kieseritzki,1851 ... |
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| Aug-21-08 | | RandomVisitor: 10.Qd3 is good for white. |
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| Aug-21-08 | | Samagonka: So much for weird opennings! |
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| Aug-21-08 | | RandomVisitor: 8.Nc3 or 9.Nc3 are good for white. |
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| Aug-21-08 | | DiceToThat: I Know Why the Caged Bird Resigns. Perhaps better than 11. Bxc6 would be 11. Kf2, but even then black has many opportunities to apply pressure. |
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| Aug-21-08 | | megatacos: What a beautiful game, i like all the sacrificing of the pieces on the way to the checkmate. |
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