Karl Hamppe vs Wilhelm Steinitz (1860) Carl's Bad

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Karl Hamppe vs Wilhelm Steinitz
"Carl's Bad" (game of the day Jan-31-2005)
Casual game (1860), Vienna AUT
Vienna Game: General (C27) · 0-1

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Jan-31-05		ughaibu: When did Lasker play there?

Jan-31-05		cu8sfan: <ughaibu> I've got to check my book at home. Could be that I erred with Lasker.

Jan-31-05		meloncio: <cu8sfan> I think you know, but I'll tell you anyway. Karlsbad = Karlova Vary today, in czech language. I have been there in the summer of 2002, a wonderful place, but I stayed just one day.

Jan-31-05		catlover: <panigma> <Very cool configuration after 28...hxg4.> Yes. It looks like a composed problem: "White to play and lose". :-)

Jan-31-05		jkiipli: amazing, I dont imagine myself playing moves like 7...Qd7, after 13...Kf8 I would have counted my situation much inferior. I probably would have slain the bishop 7...Bxc4 or at least 10...0-0-0 (I'm playing that coward-style chess, heh, maybe I should reteach myself)

Jan-31-05		aw1988: Philidor must be smiling in his grave.

Jan-31-05		kevin86: Carl's Bad-I bet the one who came up with that one couldn't tell a cave from a hole in the ground.(lol) Steinitz certainly came up with some strange moves and positions. Here is another game where Steinitz doesn't castle-seemingly an unwanted luxury by him. I do also like the diamond of pawns around black's knight.

Jan-31-05		aw1988: Too bad this wasn't played at Carlsbad, but Vienna. It would add more to the pun... :P

Jan-31-05		patzer2: Stenintz's 29...g3! initiates an instructive deflection mate.

Jan-31-05		cloybloy: So this is why they coined this opening the vienna opening.

Apr-03-05		maxruen: I think Steinitz was really great! Not the greatest, but the first of the real great!!

Apr-04-05		Lawrence: You mean, he was the first of the real great, but not the first of the real real great?

Apr-04-05		meloncio: <Lawrence> Glad to read you again, Lorenzo. And in a good mood as usual.

Apr-05-05		Lawrence: Hi <meloncio>, saludos, haven't been doing much posting lately because I've been spending so much time on art sites, and have started to learn how to paint in my dotage (vejez). Another Grandma Moses--Grandpa in this case. btw, my family name is Humphrey: goes pretty well with your avatar, eh?

Apr-05-05		meloncio: <Lawrence><my family name is Humphrey: goes pretty well with your avatar, eh?> Sure! Bogey has always been my hero. And I think I once saw your face in a 100-dollar bill, but the name was such a Ben Franklin :-D btw, I don't get the pun about <Grandma Moses--Grandpa> Is it a Canadian joke?

Apr-06-05		Lawrence: <meloncio>, no, Grandma Moses was a lady who took up painting very late in life and became famous in North America.

Apr-07-05		maxruen: Dear Lawrence! My use of 'real' was only connected to the notion of reality. Your second real, I think, has a superlative flavor... If so, I "really" don't know, how many one should use to compare Steinitz to Capa, Kaspa, Karp, etc. Isn't that so? A hug for you!

Apr-07-05		Lawrence: Hi, <maxruen>, a warm welcome to <chessgames> from all of us. I see you've already got a game collection--keep up the good work! I'm sure you're going to enjoy it here as much as all the rest of us do, it's such a great site.

Apr-14-06		MorphyMatt: now thats a pawn storm!

Jan-29-17		Big Pawn: This game seems to forshadow Steinitz's penchant for playing experimental moves during a real game, as well as the materialism that would characterize some of his play after 1873. 10...Bd4 strikes me as a slow move with the aim of pressuring the d pawn. Then the later ...Kf8 is classic Steinitz in that he was of the idea that the King could take care of himself with a few accurate moves. I like looking through Steinitz's early games, before he famously and suddenly became a positional play after Vienna 1873, to see if I can spot instances of things to come.

Mar-27-20		joddon: first computerised game of 1800s...lol.its like fritz game!!

Sep-03-20		enog: Carl may be bad but Wilhelm's good!!

Jun-07-22		NM JRousselle: I think a case could be made that Morphy was the 1st real great.

Jun-08-22		AlicesKnight: White's loss of at three tempi around moves 18-20, allowing Black to set the central and K-side pawns going, is striking.

Feb-11-23		Messiah: Terrible pun.

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