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| Aug-10-14 | | Tigranny: What's with all the hatred against the French Defense in general, and especially the Winawer, my favorite opening as Black? This game was devastating for Ulibin, but simply using it as a source of inspiration to play against the French and bash on the Winawer as an unsound opening to me is wrong (and I love to play the 7...0-0 line all the time nowadays). The opening was not the reason Ulibin lost; it was his choice of moves that helped lead up to Oll's attack, in the form of 8...Nbc6 (I prefer 8...c4 to kick the bishop off the b1-h7 diagonal) and 9...h6 (just asking Oll to sacrifice the bishop). I don't get why everybody praises the repetition of checks simply to gain time on the clock; rather, I think it is quite overrated, makes the game dull, and extends it for too many moves. Why sacrifice a bishop if most of the time spent is for repetitive checks and not thinking over the proper combo to play out? JMO. :/ |
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| Aug-10-14 | | FredGambit: <What's with all the hatred against the French Defense in general, and especially the Winawer, my favorite opening as Black?> Speaking only for myself, I do get a bit annoyed when I play against the French. Just not my kind of chess. Which is, of course, why you and other French players love it - you frustrate people like me! This makes me kind of a hypocrite, in that my favored Sicilians are of the 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6 variety; I took my biggest scalp OTB with it at this year's US Open (although that one went 1 e4 c5 2 Qe2!? e6). |
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| Aug-10-14 | | Tigranny: <FredGambit> I understand what you mean. I was just contemplating why other openings such as the Sicilian, which is the most popular choice for Black, is not as feared or annoying to play against as White. |
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| Apr-05-16 | | posoo: now dis - DIS - is a REAL booming in da posooian stile! Some communtators have speculated dat OLL was moving da rook around for time reasons. BUT DA POSOO KNOWS
Oll was just doing it to LAUGH. Sadly dis was da last time he had a chance to do dat. |
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| Jan-03-18 | | Howard: One particular thing about this game was that Oll's TN of 10.Bxh6 took first place by a wide margin in the "best TN's" list in the Informant. More specifically, it got 81 points out of 100 among the judges. |
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| Jan-03-18 | | WorstPlayerEver: SF gives 13... Qe7 |
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Dec-12-20
 | | Chessmaletaja: I have analyzed this game with the chess engine Komodo. The main results are the following: 9...h6?
was a mistake and better was
9...♘f5 Δ 10. g4 ♕h4! =
10. ♗xh6!
was a strong move. Note, however, that the computer initially does not see it! 13. ♘h3?!
gave Black some chances to equalize. Better was 13. 0-0-0!
using Oll's idea immediately. In the same year 1989, other players started to castle here immediately, and successfully. For example: S Maus vs Huebner, 1989 The present game and the following relevant games were commented in <Chess Informator nr. 47/368> 13...f6?
was a mistake and Black had to play
13...♕e7!
with good drawing chances, as it was played in the game Novik vs Brodsky, 1989 However, the position is still highly complicated. Very soon, Brodsky made a mistake and lost the game. My full computer analysis of the present game can be seen on Lichess: https://lichess.org/study/RYsc0vUe/... |
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| Aug-02-21 | | Saniyat24: Oll says, "I want to see your King dance on the board,Mikhail...!" |
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Jul-16-23
 | | scutigera: Fun aside, if you are prone to Deep Thinks and time trouble, repeating moves when possible to get closer to the time control is just sound prophylaxis. It's not as though it took or takes meaningfully longer to play or play through the game. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Korora: You sure that was "Very Difficult"? I actually got it! |
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| Jun-22-24 | | mel gibson: I considered the game ply but couldn't see any win. It looked drawn.
Stockfish 16.1 says:
10. Bxh6
(10. Bxh6 (1.Bxh6 gxh6 2.Qxh6 Nf5 3.Bxf5 exf5 4.0-0-0 Re8 5.Rd3 Re6 6.Rg3+ Rg6 7.Rxg6+ fxg6 8.Qxg6+ Kh8 9.Nh3 Qg8 10.Qh6+
Qh7 11.Qf8+ Qg8 12.Qxc5 Be6 13.Nf4 Qg5 14.g3 Rd8 ) +2.94/51 711) score for White +2.94 depth 51. |
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| Jun-22-24 | | Allderdice83: Well, I got 10. Bxh6 ... . White does a lot of repetition -- time trouble that early? 24 Rg3+!! is an extraordinary sacrifice, setting up a type of fishing pole with the h pawn still on h2! Of course, Black has to take, but then, giving up the queen is the only way to avoid a quick mate. Then with 30. Rh3!, White places the other rook en prise, but now Black can't take. After 34. Qf4+ winning at least another piece right away, Black has finally had enough. |
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| Jun-22-24 | | Allderdice83: <Shadout Mapes: 9...h6? is an error, the book move is 9...Ng6 where white gets a minimal advantage.> Stockfish 16 Lite depth 20 suggests either 9 ... Ng6 (+0.08) or 9 ... Nf5 (+0.17). 9 ... g6 is 3rd best at +0.50. BTW, 9. Nf3 (+0.22) is slightly better than 9. Qh5. |
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| Jun-22-24 | | vajeer: I saw the first few moves but not sure if I would feel comfortable to play this line on board. Not very clear cut to my human brain although computer evaluation is showing clear advantage to white. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Well of course White didn't see all 15 moves of the attack leading to the forced win of the Queen, but no doubt he knew ahead of time that the Knight and Ra1 could join the attack surprisingly quickly. The move that bugs me consists of 17...fxe5. Black's defense seems to depend upon keeping the Knight out of g5 until reinforcements can arrive; indeed, the game ends quickly when it does. Can Black improve? |
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Jun-22-24
 | | scormus: Very difficult. Really? OK, not many people would have found those repetitions ;) <An Englishman> was 17 ...fxe5 a mistake? I thought so too but SF disagrees. Why? It frees the diagonal for BQ to defend on the h-file with 20 ... Qh4. B is still losing but not as dramatically as after 20 ... f4? But understandable as W had to find 21 Rg3! Even then, W could still have gone wrong with the tempting 26 Ng5? ( ... Qxg5+! 27 Nxg5 gxf2 and B equalises) Good pun! |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Sally Simpson: I think everyone when presented with this POTD position
click for larger viewand White to play will go for 10.Bxh6.
Going for it OTB without a hint it may be playable is a different matter. Before this game two players renown for that their attacking skill would have looked at 10.Bxh6 OTB but rejected it. Sax vs Huebner, 1988 and Short vs Uhlmann, 1988 in both games White played 10.g4 instead of 10.Bxh6. Both games were drawn. |
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| Jun-22-24 | | Damenlaeuferbauer: For French Winawer connaisseurs, who play 7.Qg4,0-0, this is a famous position: 10.Bxh6!,gxh6 11.Qxh6,Nf5 12.Bxf5,exf5 13.0-0-0! (M. Chandler),c4 (13.-,f4 14.Nh3 (L. Vogt - W. Uhlmann, East Berlin 1989, 1-0)) 14.Nh3,Bf5 (14.-,Ne7 15.Ng5 (S. Maus - R. Huebner, Lugano 1989, 1-0)) 15.Nf4 (St. Kindermann - L. Psakhis, Dortmund 1989, 1-0) [Source: St. Kindermann, U. Dirr, Französisch Winawer, Band 1: 7.Dg4,0-0, München 2001, p.147-151] |
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Jun-22-24
 | | chrisowen: Rubs its hike v Bxh6 acrid mid bee its ye ebb did dub gab its ob
aeb banal its a buck give Bxh6 do its... |
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| Jun-22-24 | | Rama: Win with the Winawer! I've always liked 5. ... cxd4, analyzed by Alekhine in the "Opening Notes" to his book on the NY24 tournament. Conquering the d4-square is the whole point in Black's strategy. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | Teyss: Following <Sally Simpson>'s post, I looked in which games 9...h6 was played: there are only 12 (9...Ng6 is more common). (a) 7 games with the sac 10.Bxh6: 6 White wins, 1 draw... played by Oll the year before: Oll vs Y Dokhoian, 1988. Oll probably thought about the right continuation afterwards. Did his opponent know about that game and expect a draw? (Surprisingly the present game doesn't appear in the opening explorer: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... Yeah I know, transpositions, but the link does say "search database for this <position>".) (b) 3 games with 10.Nf3: 2 Black wins, 1 draw (pointed out by Sally). https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... (c) 2 games with 10. g4: 1 White win, 1 draw (pointed out by Sally). https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... Interestingly all these games were played in 1988 and 1989 (apart from G Matjushin vs D Sidorchuk, 2000 ): it seems 9...h6 was a short-lived TN only meant for Black seppuku. |
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| Jun-22-24 | | Olavi: I remember this very well, it was written in every known magazine in every known language that 10.Bxh6 is good for a draw only. With information travelling slowly even Huebner fell for a published thing - he'd read the wrong magazines... |
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Jun-22-24
 | | offramp: I got 10. Bxh6 but after that I was lost. |
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Jun-22-24
 | | FISHEGGS: Thank you whomever.....! I kept trying to figure out how in 10 moves, ten chessmen flew off of the board without a checkmate. It looked a little as if there were not any left to mate with since the analysis would not go any further. signed "woodpusher" |
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Jun-25-24
| | Teyss: Just out of curiosity I let SF run for an hour after 10.Bxh6 gxh6 (else Black is a Pawn down without compensation) 11.Qxh6 and it gives +2.9 at 46 ply so it's definitely a great line for White, which explains why 9...h6? was abandoned so fast. The main line is 11...Nf5 12.Bxf5 exf5 (as in the game) 13.O-O-O instead of 13.Nh3 but as in 4 games above in my point (a), all White wins. SF then recommends 13...Re8 which was never played (only 13...c4 or ...f4) but considering how bad it's for Black so early in the game, it's understandable nobody wanted to investigate further. analysis of move 11...? |
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