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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> No, just the 77 moves. I'm entertaining, remember? Not stupid. |
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| May-03-11 | | Jim Bartle: I wonder sometimes.
So you are going to show one single game from the position, no variations, and claim that's proof that black wins? I really, really hope that with your super-exaggerated opinion of your analytic powers, that you do not play poker. The other players would leave you penniless in a few hands. |
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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Poker is for gun-slingers and spittoons. Chess is for your eyes only. I'll type the 77 moves tomorrow. Hasta mañana. |
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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Alekhine vs Nenarova
Moska 1907. Queen's Indian: Petrosian (E12)
1. d4 d5
2. c4 Nc6
3. Nf3 Bg4
4. cxd5 Qxd5
5. Nc3 Qa5
6. d5 O-O-O
7. Bd2 Bxf3
8. exf3 Nb4
9. a3 Nxd5
10. Na4 Nb6
11. Bxa5 Rad1+
11. Rxd1 Nxa4
12. b3 Nb6
14. Bb5 Nf6
15. Bc3 Nbd5
16. Bb2 e6
17. O-O Bd6
18. Rfe1 Rd8
19. g3 c6
20. Bd3 b6
21. Kg2 Kb7
22. b4 c5
23. bxc5 Bxc5
24. h3 h5
25. h4 a6
26. a4 Bb4
27. Re2 Bc3
28. f4 Bxb2
29. Rxb2 g6
30. Rbd2 Rc8
31. Rc2 Rxc2
32. Bxc2 b5
33. Kf3 b4
34. a5 Nd7
35. Bb3 Kc6
36. Bxd5+ exd5
37. Ke3 Nc5
38. Rb1 Kb5
39. Kd4 Na4
40. Re1 b3
41. Kxd5 Nc3+
42. Kd4 Kb4
43. Kd3 b2
44. Kc2 b1Q+
45. Rxb1+ Nxb1
46. Kxb1 Kxa5
47. f3 f5
48. Kc2 Kb4
49. Kd3 a5
50. g4 Kb3
51. gxf5 gxf5
52. Kd4 a4
53.Ke5 a3
54. Kxf5 a2
55. Ke4 a1=Q
56. f5 Qa4+
57. Kd3 Qb5+
58. Kd2 Qc4
59. f6 Qxh4
60. f7 Qf2+
61. Kd3 Qf3+
62. Kd2 Qxf7
63. Ke2 Qe6+
64. Kf2 Qf6+
65. Kg2 Qb2+
66. Kg3 Qe5+
67. Kf2 Qf4+
68. Kg2 Qe4+
69. Kg1 Qe1+
70. Kh2 Qf2+
71. Kh1 Qf1+
72. Kh2 Qd3
73. Kg1 Qe2
74. Kh1 Kc4
75. Kg1 h4
76. Kh1 h3
77. Kg1 Qg2# |
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| May-03-11 | | Jim Bartle: 1. d4 d5
2. c4 Nc6
3. Nf3 Bg4
That's a Queen's Indian Petrosian? I think Petrosian would be surprsied to learn that. If he were still alive, that is. |
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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Stop fooling around. That's the beginnig of the "historic" short chess match. You Know what the QID: Petrosian Variation or Queen's Indian: Petrosian System (E12) is and where you can find it in the game. |
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| May-03-11 | | Jim Bartle: A Queen's Indian without e6 OR Nf6. Right.
Plus of course, you originally said this position leads to a draw in 63 moves (riiiiiight). And now you claim it leads to a win in 77 (riiiiight). I honestly think all your posts together at cg are meant to be a chess Borat, fooling everyone into thinking you're serious. |
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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Ok.
Alekhine vs Nenarova, Moskva 1907,
Queen's Indian: Petrosian (E12)
1. d4 ...
2. c4 ...
3. Nf3 ...
9. a3 ...
14. ... Nf6
16. ... e6
20. ... b6
QID: Petrosian Variation or Queen's Indian: Petrosian System (E12): 1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 e6
3. Nf3 b6
4. a3 |
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| May-03-11 | | Jim Bartle: So let me get this straight (typing between bouts of laughter): This game shows the QID Petrosian variation is a clear win for black because this particular game (and not a master game, a game you present as your own analysis) reaches a position you claim transposes to the Petrosian variation after 20 moves. And there are no possible improvements for white after the standard 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 b6 4. a3? A variation played named after a World Champion and played by many of the world's best players? Really. Post this on the Nigel Short page and see what he thinks. Be sure to show him the eight games he lost from a clear winning position. |
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| May-03-11 | | Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Stop thinking standard. Why don't You post the game on Nigel Short's page and let him tell you what he thinks. Seriously. |
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| May-03-11 | | lost in space: Strange discussion here.
After 10. Na4 the game is clearly won for White as the black queen is trapped. Thats for sure. |
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May-03-11
 | | perfidious: <Jim Bartle: 1. d4 d5
2. c4 Nc6
3. Nf3 Bg4
That's a Queen's Indian Petrosian? I think Petrosian would be surprsied to learn that. If he were still alive, that is.> Oh, yes.
Jim, you've got a lot to learn (wink, nod).
There's no point in trying to explain to <Mozart72> that this a subvariation of the Chigorin QGD, as he'll merely quote some useless set of stats. He tells you to 'stop thinking standard', yet posts rivers of mindless crap. |
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| Aug-24-11 | | sfm: <Mozart72: I've analyzed some variations from move 10. Na4, onward. The last variation analyzed gave me a winner for Black with 77 moves.>
LOL! Love it, absolutely! |
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Jan-20-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Repost to get it on the "front page"
Sep-30-06
<Calli: <Exactly the 10 moves were played in Tolush vs Aronson, 24th USSR Championship, Leningrad, 1957>
<Sneaky Pete> Yes, that's the real game. This score was a fraud perpetrated by Grigory Bogunovich of Pittsburg, Pa who sent it in to Chess Review (September 1959, p257) along with a clearly rediculous story about the encounter. Note that it appeared shortly after Tolush-Aronson. I wonder if "Grigory Bogunovich" was a real person.> Oct-27-09
vonKrolock: Compare to Tolush vs Aronson, 1957 Tolush vs Aronson, 1957 And read also Edward Winter's <"The Alekhine vs Nenarokov Hoax"> http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... and <"Chess Notes"> 6354 October 2009 |
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| Jul-13-13 | | jinmin: Wow, this discussion is a hidden comedic gam. |
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| Jul-13-13 | | Calli: Disappointed that I misspelled "ridiculous" in 2006. |
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Jul-14-13
 | | offramp: I think Mozart should've been encouraged to post more analysis. |
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| Feb-17-16 | | Allanur: it too is a great game and deserves to be the game of the day. |
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| Nov-09-16 | | indomega: Alekhine is best queen-trapper! |
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Apr-02-17
| | perfidious: <Mozart72: <Jim Bartle> Poker is for gun-slingers and spittoons....> There is room for many more characters than your gunslingers, and I have known quite a few. (laughs) |
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| Jun-14-19 | | Omlyapawn: As Grampa always warned me "Son, resist the urge to bring out your Queen too early!" |
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Feb-18-24
 | | kingscrusher: Having gone through a desert of no comments on many brilliant involved positional Sultan Khan games, and seeing this made-up game of Alekhine has 3 pages of comments gives me the idea that most people like short and tactical wins. Even if they are made up! Life.... I don't know. Short attention spans. Cute games are little games. Most people on this site I guess prefer tactical players. It's understandable. |
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Feb-18-24
 | | beatgiant: <kingscrusher> Aside from Chessgames Challenges and live games, the key factors for the most kibitzed games are (a) a celebrity player and (b) some kind of controversy, scandal or otherwise sensational circumstances. Examples: Spassky vs Fischer, 1972, Polgar vs Kasparov, 1994. Here we have both, but 3 pages of comments are actually not a lot for such a game. For example Alekhine vs NN, 1915 currently has 6 pages for another case of analysis that wrongly got treated as a real game. And that's a longer and deeper game than this one. |
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Feb-18-24
| | beatgiant: <kingscrusher> Following I think are the top 10 historical games with the most pages of kibitzing (excluding Challenges, live games, and troll fests about Chessgames members), with brief explanation. Many are over 40 moves long and couldn't be described as "short tactical wins." Fischer vs Geller, 1967 - A loss by Fischer in
_My 60 Memorable Games_ where he gave complex analysis of a missed win. R Byrne vs Fischer, 1963 - The commentators thought Byrne was winning when he resigned. Keres vs Botvinnik, 1948 - Conspiracy theory about the Russians rigging the 1948 World Championship. Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - Kasparov accused the Deep Blue team of cheating. Einstein vs Oppenheimer, 1933 - Played by famous scientists credited with later helping invent the A-bomb. Fischer vs Spassky, 1972 - Considered by many Fischer's best win in the World Championship. Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858 - Morphy's Opera House game. Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 - Fischer's first game in the World Championship and a sensational defeat. Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 - Kasparov's Immortal. D Byrne vs Fischer, 1956 - Fischer's Game of the Century. As for games with little to no kibitzing, that's most of them! The db currently has over 1.6 million games. See Game Collection: They were surprised for a collection of games where kibitzers noticed "surprisingly little" kibitzing. |
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Feb-20-24
| | kingscrusher: <beatgiant> Very interesting list of games - thanks. |
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