| Jul-31-03 | | ksadler: Beautiful move by Shirov. Now if 13. .. Qxb2 14. Qc6+ Kd8 15. Nxf7#. If 13. .. Qxa6 14. Rxb8#. The only way to avoid mate is to sac the queen! |
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| Jul-31-03 | | hickchess99: nice. if 13.Qxb2 then 14.Qc6+, Kd8 15.Nxf7++. if 13.Qxa6 then 14.Rxb8, Qc8 15.Rxc8++. the variations where the queen protects the rook and herself such as squares a8,c8, and c7 end up with Nf7 mate anyway. umm, i think that's it? |
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| Jul-31-03 | | JSYantiss: That is definitely it, hickchess99. If Black were to move his queen to either a8 or c8, then Shirov's next move is going to be RxR+, which forces Black to play QxR and lose control of the vital c6 square. Mate would then be unavoidable. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | JSYantiss: Not necessarily a check with RxR, but it pretty much forces the issue because if the Black Queen were on c8, it would be pinned and Black would be forced to take the Rook back anyway, leading to mate. Basically, it is mate in 2 or 3 moves for White if Black had decided to play through until the bitter end. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | rodolpheb: The only way to avoid mate first seems to be
13...Nd7, ... but how long will it work ?
14. Rxb7, and Black can't avoid mate. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | JSYantiss: Not for much longer.... 14...Rc8, 15. Qb5, a6 16. Qa4 Rd8 17. RxN RxR 18. QxR++ Note that if Black instead moves 14...Ra8, White still replies 15. Qb5, a6 16. Qa4 and we get the line mentioned above. Even if Black plays 14...RxR, White plays 15. QxR and mate soon follows since Black cannot create a flight square for his king in time. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | Dustin J.: Wow, I saw this one through. I must be getting better. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | Elrathia Kingi: One more reason not to accept the Queen's Gambit. |
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| Jul-31-03 | | nateinstein: After looking at any bishop queen or knight moves, I soon realized Rxb2 was the only thing left, and a nice move! The threat is obvious as long as you see Qc6+ Kd8, then Nf7# Queen takes Queen leads to a quick kill with Rxb8++. Anything else and white wins the queen. |
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Jul-31-03
 | | Ron: like dustin j, I saw this one through also.
I guess that this pattern/idea has occurred in other games. |
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| Sep-22-04 | | chessdr: What about 12. ... c3. If 13. Nxd7 c2(!), 14. Nxf6+ Kd8(!!), 15. Qa5+ Rb6. Maybe black can get a perpetual. Maybe he gets more! If 13. Bd3 Qb7, and now white cannot play Rxb2 as in the game. |
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| Sep-25-04 | | chessdr: Second thoughts. 12. ... c3, 13. Nxd7 c2, 14. Nxf6+ Kd8, 15. Bd3 c1=Q+, 16. Ke2 and it was not worth it, white keeps the piece and the attack. |
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| Sep-29-04 | | IT4LICO: The real same game was played by Tishin D. and Kuzubof Y. the 11 of september 2004 in III autumn tournement, i dont know who are they but the game is really the same... |
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| Jan-13-05 | | notyetagm: Wow, 13 ♖xb2!! beats a 2641-rated player in 13 moves. |
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| Jan-13-05 | | notyetagm: 13 ♖xb2!! and then:
13 ... Qxb2 14 Qc6+ Kd8 (Nd7 Qxd7#) 15 Nxf7#
13 ... Qxa6 14 Rxb8+ Qc8 15 Rxc8#
13 ... Qa8 (Qc8) 14 Rxb8 Qxb8 15 Qc6+ Kd8 (Nd7 Qxd7#) 16 Nxf7# This means that it is time to resign. |
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| Jan-29-05 | | AdrianP: And almost identically:-
[Event "Lippstadt 12th"]
[Site "Lippstadt"]
[Date "2004.07.24"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Romanishin,Oleg M"]
[Black "Brenke,Andreas"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "D20"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4 c5 4.d5 Nf6 5.Nc3 b5 6.Bf4 Ba6 7.Nf3 b4 8.Bxb8 bxc3
9.Qa4+ Qd7 10.Qxa6 cxb2 11.Rb1 Rxb8 12.Ne5 Qb5 13.Rxb2 1-0 |
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| Mar-02-05 | | chessdr: Third thoughts (re: my Sep 04 posts). What if 12. ... c3 13. Nxd7 c2 14. Nxf6+ Kd8 15. Bd3 c1=Q+ 16. Ke2 Qf4. White may have to give the piece back. Black is still terribly underdeveloped but I can't find a clear win. |
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Mar-02-05
 | | beatgiant: <chessdr>
Brilliant try, but after the suggested 12. ... c3 13. Nxd7 c2 14. Nxf6+ Kd8 15. Bd3 c1=Q+ 16. Ke2 Qf4, White can play 17. Qa5+ Rb6 18. Rxb2 Qxf6 19. Rhb1, and I don't see a good defense against Rxb6 followed by queenside breakthrough. |
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| Sep-07-05 | | grandanahtar: 7. ..Qa5 !? instead of b4 |
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| Dec-30-08 | | YoungEd: Great game with a beautiful final move. Looks like a case where Shirov just saw one move deeper than his opponent! |
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| Sep-03-10 | | Remizatorul: Shirov is the best tactician of all times ! |
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| May-11-21 | | carpovius: 13.Rxb2!! Genuine beauty by Shirov) |
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May-11-21
 | | perfidious: Black avoided the losing 12....Qb7 in I Ivanisevic vs B Chatalbashev, 2002. |
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| Jan-13-22 | | DarthStapler: Technically, this is the shortest decisive game in World Championship history (if you ignore Fischer's forfeit in game 2 against Spassky and the Kramnik-Topalov bathroom incident). |
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