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| May-25-06 | | dakgootje: < I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts"> Why is that??? Always thought it was just pronounced...perk or something... I can understand if it was originally Pirc in an other language and that there it is an other way pronounced, but i mean like, the c and ts-sounds are VERY differant imho |
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| May-25-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <Ray Keene> And a second question, just out of curiosity: From which point did you see the forking move 35...Qb2? I hope you remember! |
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| May-25-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: << I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts"> Why is that???> <dakgootje> Because these Yugoslavs can't pronounce "Perk" straight. |
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May-25-06
 | | TheAlchemist: <I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts"> I already confirmed that on Pirc's page and I don't know why anybody would find this strange. The "problem" is that Western and most of the Central European countries use the same Latin characters, but pronounce them very differently. We pronounce "c" as "ts", someone else as "k". |
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| May-25-06 | | itz2000: <ray> didn't know you're alive and annotes here in the site :S <emperror> I think because it was sort of an openning that got into a Scillian somehow, the traditional queen side attack is ment to scillian queen side attack where (a6[najdorf], b5, Bd7 or Be7, or Be6 & Rac8) withing getting the a and b pawns up. I think it was better this way : 18. Qxc5, Rxc5
and white is okay... |
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| May-25-06 | | themadhair: <EA><Could you please explain what you mean by this? Is a minority attack normal in a Pirc defense-game?>Normally it is white who executes the minority attack. It is simply when a small pawn island attacks a much larger pawn island in order to create a weakness. Consider (Kotov vs Pachman, 1950). In this game the minority attack is started on the queenside from move 12 to 16. The entire result of the attack was to create that one weak backward c-pawn for black. Very strong but very tedious. |
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| May-25-06 | | dakgootje: <EmperorAtahualpa><TheAlchemist> Okay thanks, it just seems strange from my point of view, however i can imagine that people in Central European countries find our pronounciation strange too. Ah well, this way you learn things, even when you havent got school =) |
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May-25-06
| | TheAlchemist: <dakgootje> No problem, actually this is the second time I had to be a killjoy: Ivkov vs Puc, 1955
:-) |
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| May-25-06 | | Castle In The Sky: <GM Keene> This looks more to me like a Kings Indian Samisch Variation than a Pirc, what is your opinion? Great game. |
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May-25-06
 | | ray keene: if white trades queens on move 18 i believe he is lost-too many pawn islands i saw --qb2 after white played a4 i seem to recall-i was surprised by a4 but then realised it contained a huge tactical hole for white minority attack has already been explained very well here re pronunciation gligoric is pronounced gligorich-lodz where rubinstein played-is pronounced wouch-
pirc is pronounced peerts-and so it goes |
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| May-25-06 | | barryhk: on 35 Kh1, isn't the threat 35...Rh2 
not Rf2, which is not a check?
barryhk |
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May-25-06
| | ray keene: 35 kh1 just loses the r on a4-are you sure you meant this?? <barryhk> |
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| May-25-06 | | dakgootje: <TheAlchemist> and irritating and forgetful as we are around here, youll probably have to correct us a lot of times in the future, of course only if the pun-maker keeps making puns which are not totally correct =P |
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| May-25-06 | | kevin86: A nice game be Keene-with a little intermezzo at the end. Instead of blindly exchanging two rooks for the queen,he finds a way to gain a rook back. Strange:we have rook on rook-fork/skewer at move 32 then a real fork at 35. |
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| May-25-06 | | crptone: <I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts" but we never let details like that get in the way of a good pun.> After looking at the pun (even though I knew the correct pronunciation) I groaned so loudly that one of my friends asked me if I was sick. I guess puns are supposed to make you groan :( |
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| May-25-06 | | backyard pawn: Maybe an earlier poster has already brought this up, but I was expecting Mr. Keene to play the Knight Fork: 32...., Nf3+. I also like the way he wrapped up the game. |
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| May-25-06 | | barryhk: mr. keene,
thanks for your patience. i'm new to this wonderful site. Rh2 is a blunder, i see now. but why does your 'shock' note show a plus, for check?, when i don't think it is.
barryhk |
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| May-25-06 | | ganstaman: <barryhk> I think one of us is confused (I know I'm not Keene, but I can still ask/answer here). On what move do you plan on playing Rh2 (or not playing it, since it's a blunder you say)? Neither white nor black have the option of playing a rook to h2 at any point in this game. Also, what move doesn't appear to be a check to you? |
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May-25-06
| | ray keene: its actually winning for black
its just that the minus sign is a bit short |
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| May-25-06 | | PaulLovric: <TheAlchemist: <I believe that Pirc is prounced "peerts">
I already confirmed that on Pirc's page and I don't know why anybody would find this strange. The "problem" is that Western and most of the Central European countries use the same Latin characters, but pronounce them very differently. We pronounce "c" as "ts", someone else as "k".> we also pronounce c as ch |
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| Jun-24-06 | | hellopolgar: i understand that mr.Raymond Keene is very fond of this game but i have to point out that the ending is nothing spetacular. 33. ... Nf3+ would make it much more fascinating. |
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| Nov-21-08 | | bunbun: I looked back at the question about the "traditional minority attack". I don't know much about the Pirc, but I think Keene is referring to the Sicilian, since White's strategic zugzwang led to Black obtaining a nice Sicilian-style position. Can someone verify to this patzer extraordinaire if that's correct? |
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Mar-23-09
| | ray keene: a number of people have suggested ...nf3+ on move 33 or 32. however it seems to me that in such a case white cd save his b pawn and still retain r and b, hence have more drawing chances. and <bun bun> yes you are right-blacks chances in this game came as a result of a transposition to a typical sicilian style q side pawn attack. |
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| Jan-29-11 | | Xeroxx: This isn't a Pirc it is the "modern defense". |
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| Nov-02-11 | | ColeTrane: I've seen some great two rooks versus a queen end games. . . . if you're both down to a couple a pawns, the rooks are "supposed" to win out . .. . |
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