| Apr-29-05 | | Milo: keypusher: good find. Karpov relinquishes a fair amount of material (see position after black's 21st), but still wins. |
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| Jul-18-06 | | offramp: Before the 1984/5 match Karpov went out of his way to get experience against the Tarrasch, ie he rejected his usual 1.e4 and played 1.d4 against known Tarrasch players. He won hands down here but he had a shock in the other Karpov-Chandler game. |
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| Jul-18-06 | | suenteus po 147: <offramp> Why would Karpov need experience against the Tarrasch for his match against Kasparov? Why not just play 1.e4? |
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| Jul-18-06 | | euripides: <suenteus> Kasparov had a few nifty lines against e4 as well. |
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| Jul-18-06 | | suenteus po 147: <euripides> I'm fascinated by all this. What was it about Kasparov that prompted Karpov's preparation against the Tarrasch? Did he prepare to meet Kasparov's defenses against 1.e4 as well? Was Kasparov really so dangerous, even in 1984? I have only looked at a miniscule number of games from all four of their matches together and know very little about how they prepared and played against each other, off the board as well as on. |
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| Jul-18-06 | | KingG: I think Kasparov played some of his most exciting chess of his career before 1984(just look at his games in the Nimzo and QID for example), but he was also capable of amazing positional displays(eg Kasparov vs Petrosian, 1982). Considering the quality of chess that Kasparov was playing up until then, it's absolutely mind-blowing that Karpov was able to dominate Kasparov so easily in the early part of their first match. It just shows you how strong Karpov was. I don't think any other player in history could have done that to Kasparov, even at that relatively early stage of his career. Karpov was just unlucky that the match was of infinite length, and he didn't have the stamina to keep going. Because of that, i don't think he gets the respect he deserves. But for me there is no doubt that in 1984 Karpov was the stronger player, and deserved to win the match. |
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| Jul-19-06 | | euripides: <suenteus> Karpovhad tremendous problems against Kasparov's Sicilian, particularly when Kasparov strtedplaying the Najdorf rather than Scheveningen move order. The 16th and 24th games in the 1985 match illustrate; particularly the 24th, where Karpov plays the classical apporach that came most naturally to him when he needed a win, failed to find the most incisive line, turned down a chance of a draw on move 31 or so, and then went down in flames to a wonderful attack. Against the Tarrasch, Karpov was able to play positions that came very naturally to him and he won some very good games early in the 1984 match. After 1985 I think Karpov almost completely abandoned 1 e4 against Kasparov. |
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| Jul-19-06 | | A.Alekhine: Kasparov later abandoned the Tarrasch in his match against Karpov..Before that, the Tarrasch is used by Kasparov as many GMs in those days think the Tarrasch provide excellent attacking opportunities but an oppinet like Karpov who is very meticulous about small details managed to see the weakness in the Tarrasch and exploit it to full opportunity against Kasparov in their match |
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| Jul-19-06 | | KingG: <After 1985 I think Karpov almost completely abandoned 1 e4 against Kasparov.> Not just against Kasparov. Karpov more or less gave up 1.e4 in serious competition after that match. It's a shame, but once you lose faith in an opening, it's difficult to keep playing it. <I like 1.e4 very much but my results with 1.d4 are better. – Anatoly Karpov> |
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| Jun-05-07 | | refutor: <suentes> kasparov had a record of 6 wins and 6 draws as black with the tarrasch leading up to the match with karpov (niksic 1983 and candidates matches), so it would make sense that it should be something that karpov should aim for...guys like that like a challenge ;) btw, i have a manuscript by murray chandler and he calls the position after 16.Nf4 the "critical line" in the tarrasch. funny that no one's come back to it since 1984...i think 16. ...Qd7 is stronger than the line played here though...kasparov gets a decent game v. miles in Miles vs Kasparov, 1983 and chandler takes down ulf andersson Ulf Andersson vs Chandler, 1984 to be fair chandler loses to miles as well Miles vs Chandler, 1984 |
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Jul-27-20
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| Nov-16-20 | | fisayo123: This should have been a warning to Kasparov not to play the Tarrasch against Karpov! |
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Kibitzing
sac: 20.Rxc6