|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 1 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Mar-29-06
 | | keypusher: In Game 7, Spassky had miraculously escaped from a crushing bind. Here, still trailing by only a point, he got an attacking position with White for the first time in the match. But Karpov held, and the game was drawn before the 40th move. Tal wrote, <The match was effectively concluded in the 8th game, when Spassky was unable to win it. Personally I didn't doubt for a second that after White began his attack with 24 h6 the game would soon come to a spectacular end. But after 25...Nf6 (Karpov made this move quickly) no win could be found! Such a blow is even greater than a defeat. When such positions cannot be won, you begin to lose confidence. All sorts of devilish thoughts creep into your mind, such as: is it altogether impossible to win against him?> |
|
| Aug-30-06 | | mccarthpm: Yet against FISCHER spassky came back and almost overpowered him |
|
| Nov-11-06 | | jamesmaskell: According to Polugayevsky and Damsky, <he [Karpov] stood so badly that in the press centre a 'consultation' of two ex-World Champions Euwe and Tal, 'actively supported ' by grandmasters Bondarevsky, Taimanov, Tinman and Kotov, predicted a 'swift end'>. This was before Whites 23rd move. |
|
| Jun-21-10 | | ughaibu: Nobody want to say what the computers assessments are? |
|
| Jun-21-10 | | Petrosianic: I've got a Fritz analysis of the whole game, indeed of the entire 1974 Candidates. But not immediately accessible where I am now. The best way to learn anything from a computer assessment, though, is to run it oneself. Especially if you've been waiting 4 years since the last comment waiting for someone else to do it. |
|
| Jun-21-10 | | Marmot PFL: <This well known variation of the Caro-Kann is a favorite weapon of Spassky's. There's no accounting for taste but can a variation be worth such great attention in which over a period of 50 years there have taken place only the following changes: 1) White has started advancing his pawn to R5 instaed of R4, 2) the white queen is played to K2 before playing K-QN1 and P-QB4?> Botvinnik |
|
| Jun-21-10 | | Travis Bickle: <keypusher: Tal wrote, <The match was effectively concluded in the 8th game, when Spassky was unable to win it. Personally I didn't doubt for a second that after White began his attack with 24 h6 the game would soon come to a spectacular end. But after 25...Nf6 (Karpov made this move quickly) no win could be found! Such a blow is even greater than a defeat. When such positions cannot be won, you begin to lose confidence. All sorts of devilish thoughts creep into your mind, such as: is it altogether impossible to win against him?> Victor Korchnoi said after Spassky's loss to Fischer for the Title in '72 that Boris never really had any success again. Just think if they would have gave in to Fischer's demands and Bobby broke Karpov in a World Championship how Anatoli would have been remembered. After Taimanov got dusted by Fischer 6-0 he was admonished by The Soviet Union! Karpov would have never had a serious chess career after Fischer destroyed him. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Petrosianic: <Victor Korchnoi said after Spassky's loss to Fischer for the Title in '72 that Boris never really had any success again.> He won the Soviet Championship, played in 4 more Candidates series, made it to the Finals in one of them, and according to chessmetrics, had 20 2700+ performances after 1972. We have to define "success" pretty highly indeed to say that Spassky had none. You've got to check these things out for yourself, and not just take on faith anything that you want to hear. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | AnalyzeThis: I don't think Bobby Fischer would have defined success as losing in the world championship, but winning the US Championship and getting eliminated in 4 Candidates cycles. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Everett: <AnalyzeThis> Are you related to <Travis Bickle>? You guys keep on showing up on the same posts with pro-Fischer sentiments, never or rarely <speak> to each other, and have movies that have Robert DeNiro as lead characters as monikers... Just curious. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Everett: <Petrosianic> You will agree that Korchnoi, of course, was partially responsible for Spassky "lack of success" in the 70's and early 80's! |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Petrosianic> I'll take the word of a great Grandmaster like Viktor Korchnoi over your pazter observations. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Everett> I think you're either a lousy detective looking for clues in all the wrong places or a paranoid conspiracy theorist that thinks Elvis is still alive to suggest that me and Analyze This are the same person. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | 4tmac: Spassky never was quite the same. But then again, if I saw my opponent calmly & quickly play N-B3 in the face of what I thought was a strong h-file attack....All I know is it would have been freakin awesome to see Bobby try to break this Caro-Kann. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Everett: <travis bickle> thanks for the confirmation. <4tmac> Spassky was never the same after winning the title in '69, which is the main reason why Fischer did so well in '72. |
|
| Jun-22-10 | | Travis Bickle: <Everett: <travis bickle> thanks for the confirmation.> You're welcome Inspector Clouseau. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_urSQl6wUA... |
|
| Jun-23-10 | | AnalyzeThis: Hilarious. I only post here 1 or 2 times a month these days. I'm starting to think that is too many. |
|
| Jun-23-10 | | Everett: <AnalyzeThis> since you two say nearly the same things, redundancy does become an issue. |
|
| Nov-30-10 | | Ulhumbrus: One of White's problems is that Black's Queen enjoys access to the square f4. This suggests playing Rd4 to keep Black's Queen out of f4, eg 24 Rd4 instead of 24 h6, or 25 Rd4 instead of 25 Rh1, or 26 Rd4 instead of 26 Rxh6 |
|
| Nov-30-10 | | Ulhumbrus: Two of the difficulties in the way of White's attack are that firstly, Black's Queen enjoys access to the square f4, and secondly, White's N on e3 is out of play because Black's b5 and e6 pawns deny it the squares c4, d5 and f5.
The first difficulty suggests playing Rd4 so as to keep Black's Queen out of f4, eg 24 Rd4 instead of 24 h6, or 25 Rd4 instead of 25 Rh1, or 26 Rd4 instead of 26 Rxh6 As for the second difficulty, Spassky later plays Nc2, and this suggests playing Nc2 earlier in order to bring the knight into play on d4 or b4 and c6 eg 24 Nc2 instead of 24 h6 or 25 Nc2 instead of 25 Rh1 or 26 Nc2 instead of 26 Rxh6. After 23 d5 a6 another alternative is 24 Ng2 eg 24...exd5 24 Rxd5 (attacking the g5 pawn) 24...f6 25 Qd2 Ne5 26 f4 gf 27 Nxf4 or in this variation instead of 25 Qd2, 25 Qe6+ Rf7 26 Rgd1 Ne5 78 f4 gf 28 Nxf4. Also on 23 d5 a6 24 Ng2 exd5 the N on g2 can come back to e3 at once or later eg 25 Ne3 or 25 Rxd5 f6 26 Ne3 or 25 Rxd5 f6 26 Qe6+ Rf7 27 Ne3 Ne5 28 Nf5 |
|
| Jun-24-11 | | Ulhumbrus: Both sides have their g pawn on their respective fourth ranks. However whereas White's g4 pawn weakens f4 and gives Black's Queen access to f4 Black's g5 pawn does not give White access to f5, as Black's e6 pawn covers the f5 square. That is why the Black g5 pawn concedes less to White than the White g4 pawn concedes to Black. If Black had no pawn on e6 covering f5, White's attack might win. |
|
Mar-13-15
 | | offramp: <jamesmaskell: According to Polugayevsky and Damsky, <he [Karpov] stood so badly that in the press centre a 'consultation' of two ex-World Champions Euwe and Tal, 'actively supported ' by grandmasters Bondarevsky, Taimanov, Tinman and Kotov, predicted a 'swift end'>. This was before Whites 23rd move.> After 22...hxg5
click for larger view
I have a feeling that this is another case of the press centre overstating the case, over-egging the pudding! White is better but what makes his position so good that he'll be able to knock over black in a few moves? There is not much there! White starts off with definitely the right move. 23.d4-d5!
click for larger view
There is a minor threat of Qxb5, because after a black rook goes to b8, then the white queen can go to c6. So Karpov defends that ♙b5 by 23....a7-a6.
click for larger view
In this position Spassky played 24.h5-h6.
A few moves later comes this crucial position, after 26...Kg8-g7
click for larger view
Spassky retreated attacked rook all the way back to h1: 27.Rh6-h1. But what about the dashing 27.d5xe6! instead?
click for larger view
If black takes the offered rook he could end up in trouble. |
|
| Apr-08-16 | | Everett: <offramp> indeed, some nice variations there, a nice position it muck with. |
|
Apr-09-16
| | offramp: I think <I> mucked up that last diagram. If White had played 27.dxe6 then this would have been the position.
click for larger view
That offers Black the rook on h6. A whole rook!
Now if 27...Kxh6 28.Rh1+ looks obvious. 28...Kg7.
click for larger view
29.Nf5+. Now 29...Kg8 is forced, as ...Kg6 allows Rh6#
click for larger view That is a fascinating position! White is a rook down but has a strong attack. |
|
| Apr-09-16 | | Howard: But there was no forced win, correct?
Kasparov looked at this position in MGP V, but I don't recall his conclusion. |
|
 |
|
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 1 OF 2 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
