| Jun-04-04 | | Shadow 812: It is almost hard to believe that such a great player like Petrosian who held the world title, only ever managed to defeat Geller twice in 47 games!!
Maybe if Petrosian had pushed a little bit harder he might have won at least one of those short draws that were
the norm against Geller: |
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| Jun-04-04 | | drukenknight: I am amazed more by Geller holding on so long, he seemed to have solved his problem near the end, look at this: 68....Ka6
69. h5 Kb5
70. Ke4 Nc8
71. g6 hxg6
72. hxg6 Kxa5
73. Ke5 Ne7 |
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| Jun-07-04 | | Cyphelium: <drukenknight> I believe it is wrong to exchange pawns. There is no good way to for black to cover the h7-pawn , so white can send his king to pick it up. After your variation 68.- Ka6 69. h5 Kb5!? then after 70. Ke5 it is easy to see that the king will walk mercilessly down to h7, or else aid his pawns. Black can only delay it a little, for example 70.- Kxa5 71. Kf6 Nd5+ 72. Kg7 Nf4 73. h6 Kb6 74. Kf7 Nh4 75. g6. |
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| Jun-07-04 | | drukenknight: well okay but what if I just take the RP right off?
68...Ka6
69. h5 Kxa5
70. Ke5 Kb4
71. Kf6 Nd5+
72. Kg7 Nf4
73. Kxh7 Nxh5 |
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| Jun-08-04 | | Cyphelium: <drukenknight> After 68.- Ka6 69. h5 Kxa5 70. Ke5 Kb4 and now instead 71. Ke6!, white's king will shield the pawns from the knight and white wins, for example 71.- Nc6 72. g6! hxg6 (72.- Nd4+ 73. Kd5 Nf5 74. gxh7) 73. h6 Nd4+ (or 73.- Nd8+ 74. Kf6!) 74. Kd5 Nf5 75. h7 etc. |
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| Jun-08-04 | | Rama: On 18. ... Rfc8 I said, "Right rook, wrong file!" Geller moves this piece four times before it is exchanged off on move 31. It just shows he was drifting. His main problem is the Bg2 which prevents him from playing c5 and establishing some mobility with his "hanging pawns." For this he needs to get his Ra8 to c8 and his Rf8 to d8. Agree, drunkenknight, my friend? |
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| Sep-01-07 | | agany: <Shadow 812> Petrosian defeated Geller 3 times. Not a big diference, I konow, but three is the number. |
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| Mar-04-09 | | ewan14: One of Petrosian's victories was in a Garga training tournament , not a Soviet Championship or World Championship Candidates. ( One of Petrosian's losses against Geller was when he played 6 d5 against
the Kings Indian ! ) |
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| Jan-12-10 | | elohah: The UNDER-employment rate is at
17.5 percent??
Dear Lord - Help us! Help us!!
Oooops! I'm sorry! Am I still on
the Chess site?
Yes... King's vs. Knights in endgame
play - I've GOT this!
Yes...don't stray too far from the
knight, because....because a KING,
kids, cannot both attack AND defend
as well as a knight can!
A young Petrosian learns this right
in this very game, seemingly.
There's quite a bit of stumbling about
by young Tigran, until - finally -
on move 66(!) he decides to STOP
TRYING TO FIGHT THE KNIGHT WITH JUST
HIS KING (which has repeatedly failed)
and to first get SET UP by....
what? anybody?
That's right! by the well known policy
of TAKING AWAY THE KNIGHT'S SQUARES
with one of his pawns! - in this case,
his h-pawn!
What have we learned?
A good answer to that is a counter
question!
How strong is a King - just by itself - in the endgame? How strong
is a King as a fighting piece?
Answer: A King is pretty tough, actually. It is almost as strong as
a knight!
Almost.
So...the side with the knight. You
DON'T stay close to the enemy King!
Altho you can, it is often better to
STRETCH that King's capabilities -force
him to go both forwards and backwards,
to both attack and defend. which, as
we can clearly see from this game
and others, a King simply is not as
proficient as a Knight at doing! |
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| Jan-12-10 | | elohah: With my time rapidly incinerating
on this library computer, I MAY have
time to quickly give some straight
Chess notes that verify the above:
58 ? Kh6! wins (58...Nf6 59 Kg7 Ng4
60 h4!) or 58...Ne3 59 Kxh7 Nf1
60 g4 Nxh2 61 g5 Nf3 62 g6! wins!.
65...? Ng6+!
66 Ke5 wins. (66...Ne7 67 Kf6 Nd5+
68 Kg7 Nf4 69 Kxh7! wins)
Petrosian is fixated on plowing
thru on the h-file, and was frustrated
by 66 Kg4 Ne3+ 67 Kh5 Nf5!, which
stymies White. |
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| Jan-15-10 | | elohah: And the above straight Chess notes
are both incorrect, since this endgame
is more complicated than I had thought.
58 Kh6 does not win, and neither does
66 Ke5. One more time:
54 g4 = g4 only looks like an improvement, but I believe it will just
reach similar positions as White
could get without doing this right
away. Actually, identical positions.
58 Kh6 Ne3! (58...Nf6? 59 Kg7 Ng4
60 h4 wins) 59 Kxh7 Nf1 60 g4 Nxh2
61 g5 Ng4! = (Black draws against p
on 5th. If 62 g6 Nf6+ =.)
Not 61...Nf3? 62 g6! Ng5+ 63 Kg8!
Kxa7 64 Kf8 Ne6+ (otherwise Ke7 wins)
65 Kf7 Nd4! (or ...Nd8+) 66 Kf6! wins
(not 66 g7?? Nf5! =).
65 If 65 Ke5 Ng6+ 66 Kf6 Nh4! 67 Kg7
Nf3!
65...I have 65...Ng6+ as better, but
in fact Geller's 65...Nd5+ will also
draw. 65...Ng6+ 66 Kf5 Kxa7 67 Kf6
Ka6 68 Kg7 Nf4 69 h4 Ng2 70 h5 Nf4
71 h6 Ne6+! 72 Kxh7 Nxg5+ 73 Kg6
Ne6! = (Black is in circuit). |
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| Jan-15-10 | | elohah: 66 The most instructive line. 66 Ke5
does not win:
66 Ke5 Ne7 67 Kf6 Nd5+ (or ...Ng6)
68 Kg7 Nf4 69 Kxh7 Nxh3 70 g6 Nf4!
('you're kidding!, I said, when I first
found this. Of course, whenever the
knight attacks the pawn, White must
then play the cipher and move forward
with it, otherwise Black will simply
capture it.) 71 g7 Nh5!! draws!
Knights can really bite you in the a!
Watch out for that.
73!
73...Petrosian's last move of this
game is one of the most instructive.
He will no longer run his King away
from the knight or fight with it at
all. That hasn't worked, right?
After 73...Nc6, simply 74 g6! or
74 h6! wins.
Very instructive endgame! |
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| Jan-19-10 | | elohah: Have done a re-look on the 54 g4 move.
After 54 g4 Kb7
55 Kf6
(going after the h-pawn first
doesn't work.)
... Nc7
56 Kxg5 Nd5
57 Kh6 Ne3
(57...Nf6 58 h3)
58 h3 Nd1
Now 59 Kxh7? allows Black
to reach the ...Nf4 line, yet
59 g5! Nf2
60 h4 seems to win. |
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| Jul-03-13 | | zydeco: I'm surprised that Geller played 12.....Be6 instead of 12....g6, which seems more active (13.e4 de 14.Ne4 Bf5 15.Nf6 Bf6 16.Qc6 Qc6 17.Bc6 Rac8 18.Bb7 Rc2 leads to nothing for white). 22....Nb6 makes no sense -- inviting white into c5. 22....a5 -- or just about anything else -- seems fine. 24.e4! is a good move. 27.Bh3! is a very similar maneuver to Petrosian's 25.Bh3 in his earlier game against Pilnik (it's worth slightly misplacing the bishop to drive black's rook off the c-file). 43.Nb7+ is an elegant way to get the king to c5. I think Petrosian could have won without the heroics of 48.Kxd5: 48.Kd4 then push the a-pawns and eventually white either wins the d-pawn or slides the king into the kingside -- but the piece sacrifice is a beautiful way to do it. |
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| Jul-03-13 | | zydeco: Geller had actually been leading the tournament up to this game. |
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| Apr-15-17 | | thegoodanarchist: GOTD pun:
Geller? Eff him! |
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| May-18-21 | | Slow Play: World Champion Max Euwe gives a detailed analysis of this ending in Chess Review Feb 1958. Among other things, he mentions the sealed nature of move 41 for White. |
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May-19-21
 | | perfidious: <Shadow812....Maybe if Petrosian had pushed a little bit harder he might have won at least one of those short draws that were the norm against Geller:> These opponents were on very friendly terms away from the board throughout their careers, with their tendencies becoming even more pacific after 1956--nearly all subsequent games were drawn, with the curtain routinely coming down by move 25. |
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| Oct-09-24 | | ewan14: Geller had learned his lesson |
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| Dec-27-24 | | andrea volponi: 51...Nc5! - Kf7 Kb7! -Kxg7 Ne4! -g4 (=) draw. |
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Kibitzing
sac: 50.Bxc6