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| Feb-22-15 | | Howard: Actually, Retireborn, you're quite correct ! And I should have pointed that fact out in my original posting. I'm virtually positive that Soltis DID state in a 2003 or 2004 column that Guimard did miss a win here. The column was about how he came to select the games for that book, and if I remember right, he stated that one reason he didn't include this one was because, according to Soltis, Fischer should definitely have lost this game. Among other comments, by the way, Soltis stated that he didn't want his book to be regarded as a "reprint" of
M60MG. |
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| Feb-22-15 | | Howard: By the way, I don't have that issue of CL & R anymore....but I sure wish I did. Maybe next time I'm at the main library downtown (Toledo) I'll see if I can find a copy. |
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| Feb-22-15 | | Retireborn: <Howard> I think your memory may be deceiving you. Houdini doesn't see a win for White anywhere, but it does suggest that 27...Rc8+ would have been somewhat stronger than 27...Rxd2+, and Guimard may have missed a good drawing chance in the subsequent rook endgame, which is what Soltis may have referred to. Good luck with it anyway! |
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| Feb-23-15 | | jerseybob: Well, now that informed consensus seems to be that there is no white win, I'm actually happy, since I've always loved this game and the idea that it was flawed was hard to swallow. |
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| Feb-26-15 | | Howard: Don't get too relieved, jerseybob. One of these days I'm gonna get my butt down to the main library downtown, in Toledo, and find that back issue of Chess Life ! If it does indeed state that Fischer should have lost, I'll post it here. |
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| Feb-26-15 | | jerseybob: Howard: Bring it on bro! |
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| Sep-21-17 | | Toribio3: Patented endgame technique by Bobby Fischer! |
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Aug-15-18
 | | offramp: Any luck, yet, Howard?
Although I don’t see why we should trust a human analysis done 50 years ago over a SF8 analysis done 2minutes ago. |
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Aug-15-18
 | | piltdown man: The puns have been dreadful lately. |
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| Aug-15-18 | | WorstPlayerEver: 15. Nxd4 and Qxd4 are ok. |
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| Aug-15-18 | | clement41: 24...Kg7 is a good practical chance especially in blitz, for instinctively one would take the f6 rook first which loses to Kxh8!
Fischer must have seen the whole line going into the rook endgame at least since ...Bxd3, else 24...Kg7 is suicide as after 25 Rxd8 he has 3 pièces en prise!
The following sequence is kind of magical to me, Fischer manages to save his 3 pieces thanks to tactics!
Remarkable |
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| Aug-15-18 | | Bilbo: What happened to the puns? |
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| Aug-15-18 | | Albion 1959: I first came across this game in 1977. It features in Irving Chernev's book The Golden Dozen - Oxford Chess Books 1976. Page 201 game 74, the notes are light with no real proper analysis. He (Chernev) gives Fischer's 15th move d5 as ! The interesting thing is after move 31, the smoke has cleared and the rook ending is reached were both sides have four pawns each. However, the position is clearly winning for Fischer! He has the connected passed d and e pawns, while the weak white g-pawns are weak and the one on g5 will soon be picked off. There are a few nice touches from Fischer, but this not was a technically difficult ending to win, in fact it is a fairly straight forward process. I am not sure why Chernev chose this game for his book, in my opinion, there were better Fischer games than this ! |
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Aug-15-18
| | offramp: <piltdown man: The puns have been dreadful lately.> Yeeldza. Do you see it? Say it quickly. "YEEldza. YEELDZA." |
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Aug-15-18
 | | ajk68: Maybe I'm being dense but what does YEELDZA have to do with anything? |
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Aug-15-18
| | ajk68: Just a side note on endgame technique. 52. Rh3? was seriously incorrect. Rh2 was more correct - getting in front of the pawn as early as possible (since he could not get behind the pawn). Yet, either way the game was lost. |
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Aug-15-18
 | | Check It Out: The puns have always been a contentious topic. Perhaps new management thinks one liners that describe some aspect of the game in question are a good option. I think its a good idea. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, though. There are some good puns waiting to be highlighted here. They simply don't need to occur everyday. |
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Aug-15-18
 | | HeMateMe: these aren't puns... |
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Aug-15-18
| | offramp: <HeMateMe: these aren't puns...> You have to say it quickly: "YEEldza. YEELDZA." |
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Aug-15-18
| | HeMateMe: Perhaps: "Hoisted by his own Guimard"? |
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| Aug-16-18 | | Granny O Doul: "Hoist" was Shakespeare's word; past tense of "hoise" back then. Perhaps archaic now but you don't mess with Shakespeare. |
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| Aug-16-18 | | drleper: <Fusilli: At white's move 17. Analysis by Stockfish 5: 1. (0.34): 17.f4 Nc6 18.0-0 Nb4 19.Ndf3> Stockfish 9 finds an improvement here and is a bit more enthusiastic about white's position (+1). The line is the same but without the N on f3 white can play g4: 17. f4 Nc6 18. O-O Nb4 19. Rae1 Nxd3 20. cxd3 Bf5 21. Qxf5 Rxf5 22.
Ne6+ Kf7 23. Nxd8+ Rxd8 24. g4 Rf6 25. Rf2
click for larger viewSo white has good play with the rooks and knight combined with the dangerous mobile kingside pawns (SF9 +1.22, depth 49). |
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Aug-16-18
| | offramp: "YEEldza. YEELDZA." |
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| Aug-16-18 | | drleper: Active posting yields a YEELDZA. |
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Mar-19-21
 | | plang: Very nice game |
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sac: 25...Rc6