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Tal Memorial Tournament

Magnus Carlsen5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Fabiano Caruana5/9(+3 -2 =4)[games]
Teimour Radjabov5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Alexander Morozevich4.5/9(+3 -3 =3)[games]
Vladimir Kramnik4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Alexander Grischuk4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Levon Aronian4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Hikaru Nakamura4/9(+1 -2 =6)[games]
Luke McShane4/9(+3 -4 =2)[games]
Evgeny Tomashevsky3.5/9(+1 -3 =5)[games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Aronian vs Nakamura 1-0532012Tal MemorialA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
2. Radjabov vs Tomashevsky 1-0312012Tal MemorialC45 Scotch Game
3. Carlsen vs Kramnik ½-½232012Tal MemorialE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
4. Grischuk vs McShane 1-0632012Tal MemorialA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
5. Morozevich vs Caruana 1-0562012Tal MemorialC81 Ruy Lopez, Open, Howell Attack
6. Morozevich vs Carlsen ½-½592012Tal MemorialE34 Nimzo-Indian, Classical, Noa Variation
7. Tomashevsky vs Aronian ½-½252012Tal MemorialE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
8. McShane vs Radjabov 0-1482012Tal MemorialB30 Sicilian
9. Kramnik vs Grischuk 1-0292012Tal MemorialE97 King's Indian
10. Caruana vs Nakamura ½-½1072012Tal MemorialD22 Queen's Gambit Accepted
11. Grischuk vs Morozevich 0-1602012Tal MemorialA09 Reti Opening
12. Nakamura vs Tomashevsky ½-½412012Tal MemorialC36 King's Gambit Accepted, Abbazia Defense
13. Radjabov vs Kramnik ½-½252012Tal MemorialC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
14. Aronian vs McShane 0-1382012Tal MemorialD15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
15. Carlsen vs Caruana ½-½302012Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
16. Caruana vs Tomashevsky 1-0322012Tal MemorialC84 Ruy Lopez, Closed
17. McShane vs Nakamura ½-½792012Tal MemorialB84 Sicilian, Scheveningen
18. Kramnik vs Aronian ½-½402012Tal MemorialC47 Four Knights
19. Morozevich vs Radjabov ½-½372012Tal MemorialC80 Ruy Lopez, Open
20. Carlsen vs Grischuk ½-½402012Tal MemorialC78 Ruy Lopez
21. Nakamura vs Kramnik ½-½402012Tal MemorialA33 English, Symmetrical
22. Tomashevsky vs McShane ½-½482012Tal MemorialA54 Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
23. Grischuk vs Caruana ½-½312012Tal MemorialD92 Grunfeld, 5.Bf4
24. Radjabov vs Carlsen 0-1592012Tal MemorialC45 Scotch Game
25. Aronian vs Morozevich 0-1402012Tal MemorialD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
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Jun-21-12  achieve: <[..] to the effect of soon creating an "event horizon" beyond which events are quite inconceivable to mine or any other human brain.>

This is more or less the confirmation as quoted from the TIME article:

<Maybe we'll merge with them to become super-intelligent cyborgs, using computers to extend our intellectual abilities the same way that cars and planes extend our physical abilities. Maybe the artificial intelligences will help us treat the effects of old age and prolong our life spans indefinitely. Maybe we'll scan our consciousnesses into computers and live inside them as software, forever, virtually. Maybe the computers will turn on humanity and annihilate us. The one thing all these theories have in common is <<< the transformation of our species into something that is no longer recognizable as such to humanity circa 2011.>>>

This transformation has a name: the Singularity.


Jun-21-12  brankat: You guys are still discussing the Tal Memorial? :-)

And a fine event it was!

Jun-21-12  achieve: Immor<Tal>ity, indeed.
Jun-21-12  Reisswolf: All this discussion about luck!

Forget Carlsen. <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is constantly reminding me of.)

Jun-21-12  achieve: <Forget Carlsen. <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is <<constantly>> reminding me of.)> Oy...
Jun-21-12  parmetd: You guys are confusing a lack of skill with luck anyways. Two totally separate concepts.

Anyways, it was definitely a nice event.

Jun-21-12  achieve: You can't be serious!

After all the hard work, what is left?

Jun-21-12  brankat: <You guys are confusing a lack of skill with luck anyways. >

So then it means Carlsen is lacking in the skills department.

Jun-21-12  brankat: <achieve< <After all the hard work, what is left?>

That's when You finally realize that You're totally dependent on Luck :-)

Jun-21-12  parmetd: No. I did not say *I* was confusing the two concepts. I said others were.
Jun-21-12  Bobwhoosta: <parmetd>

It really depends on how the word "luck" is being used, and the intended meaning of the user. Luck can simply mean "events outside of the control of someone", whereas skill "events inside the control".

I understand you probably don't agree that this is the definition of luck, but it is how people use it, without implying that it is some mysterious force.

In that guise, the lack of skill of someone else is in effect a lucky occurance for me. I had nothing to do with it, although my skill may have placed me in a position to take advantage of it.

Jun-21-12  Appaz: <<Reisswolf> <I> am a very lucky guy. (At least that is what my girlfriend is constantly reminding me of.)>

Tell her that it's pure skill!
...or maybe not.

Jun-22-12  polarmis: Evgeny Atarov wrote reports on the Tal Memorial, with extensive comments by Vlad Tkachiev (usually in italics). They're very, very long (speaking as the translator!), but surely the most interesting account of the event on the web. Links:

Round 1:
Round 2:
Round 3:
Round 4:
Round 5:
Round 6:
Round 7:
Round 8:
Round 9:

Jun-22-12  boz: Great work, Polarmis, thank you. Well worth taking the time to read. That Tkachiev sure doesn't mince words.
Jun-23-12  ajile: < achieve:
"In other words does God exist? Well, I'd say not just yet." - Kurzweil>

Depends on how you define "God". If it's a guy in the sky with a white beard then no. If you define as Infinite Cosmic Awareness possibly yes.

Jun-23-12  Reisswolf: <If you define as Infinite Cosmic Awareness possibly yes.>

Define "infinite cosmic awareness." And please give a falsifiable method of determining that the "awareness" is (a) infinite, and (b) cosmic.

The best scientific knowledge says that the (observable) universe is bounded, so what exactly do you mean by infinity here? Are you just referring to the absence of a topological boundary?

I am always interested to hear precise definitions from people on the "other side."

Jun-23-12  achieve: Or he meant:

Galactical Comic Consciousness ;)

<ajile> I posted the Kurzweil quote in reference to his "prediction" of man, through nanotech, Robotics, being able to create limitlessly, infusing Life/AI intelligence in dead matter, planets in space, which of course can be interpreted in that man has then "become as God."

This statement marks Kurzweil's closing words from the Documentary, 'The Transcendent Man', and atheist RK refers with a slightly naughty and arrogant tone that "by then" we will "finally" see God in action, through Science.

Jun-23-12  ajile: I was talking a bit tongue in cheek since you can't comprehend such things as "God" with the mere human mind. Plus of course you have the problem of even defining terms which might relate to such a discussion.

Suffice to say that an understanding of what "God" might be is probably limited to an actual experience not a mental "thought level" comprehension.

For example you can try to explain to a child what sex is and they may think they understand. But until they are adolescents and actually EXPERIENCE it they don't really comprehend it.

Jun-24-12  achieve: I merely quoted Kurzweil's words and even mentioned his "arrogant" way of saying them. With the rest you are writing I have no beef, nor do I completely agree, but this is irrelevant; I <only> want to let come across what the mindset is of these in many ways rather arrogant - but understandable - remarks among the "transhumanist & Singularity establishment".

After all they hold the by far most expensive keys in scientific research and development today.

The discussion path you have entered may be interesting, though, but my references are to the Time article and those involved in the science and movement.

Jun-24-12  QueentakesKing: What is this two wins the most? Horrible. I can truly say that creative and combative chess are dead. I refer to Tata Steel with the same pattern ---numerous draws---with Anand playing in it! CHESS COMPUTERS HAVE KILLED THE BEAUTY OF CHESS AND THE GAME.
Jun-24-12  achieve: Relax, man - about 50 percent of the games was <decisive>! - this is a huge stat, and testament to real human fighting, and making mistakes, on the board.

OTB tournament chess looks in fine shape.

Jun-24-12  QueentakesKing: <achieve> You say so.
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  Everett: Looking back at this score table, this has got to have been one of the most even fields assembled. +2 for the winner, -2 for the loser over 9 games is quite even.

BTW, lots of decisive games without the football scoring.

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  LIFE Master AJ: This tournament was truly amazing ... we had a different leader every round. (practically)

The way Carlsen wound up winning - in the end - was truly impressive.

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  Everett: Of Kirzweil and others ideas and predictions, if half of them come true, humanity will barely be recognizable. Not sure how I feel about this.
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