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| Jul-30-12 | | balzarius: <Waitaka>Thank you for the advice!I also enjoyed the quotes you linked. <Jamennib>I based my statement on what you may call "false(or maybe more correctly misleading) statistics":
Repertoire Explorer: Varuzhan Akobian (black) |
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| Jul-30-12 | | parmetd: Yep, definitely learned my lesson. Don't post analysis since it won't be read. I will vote in silence. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Chess Gambler: I'm voting for 1.b4 because I like to take risks :-) |
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| Jul-30-12 | | balzarius: <parmetd>I have enough materials to sustain my opinion on 4.d3 Berlin,but unfortunately I won't post it now because I don't have enough time and I don't see as a necessity now.Firstly,let's see GMVA response to 1.e4 . |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Waitaka: <parmetd> Analysis are essential. But statistics are another way to see the problem, and even narrow the huge amount of possible lines for analysis. Of course, statistics are also a gamble, but we cannot discard them, because it is impossible to analyze every single line. If we are at the opening, I see no problem to follow some statistics, except if someone busts a well played line. I believe it is wrong to focus on the statistics only, but I do also believe it is wrong to ignore the statistics. Of course, we can always turn the statistics in something more relevant. If we consider only CC games, and if we consider only very high rated players, and if we consider only very recent games, and if we consider only the games from our opponent, these are all ways we can use to turn statistics more relevant. But what will destroy the team members ability to communicate and to cooperate to each other are high egos. Like any high performance team, we have to listen to what other people are saying, understand what they are saying and before criticize any idea or work, be sure that we understood what was meant. And if the idea or work was a bad one, we have to communicate that to the person in question, in a polite and helpful way, explaining where is the flaw, and why. And be prepared to be surprised by a reasonable counter-argument, because sometimes good ideas are only miscommunicated. I said sometimes? I mean very often. Very often the way an idea is exposed or explained is inadequate, but this does not mean that the idea is wrong. I know, those human beings are crazy. Add to that an environment where not everyone uses English as a primary language, and we have a chaos. Also knows as this forum. So, I will expand what I said before on the other post. Be helpful. Be nice. Be optimistic. Be kind. Be supportive. Be patient. And be happy. |
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Jul-30-12
 | | AylerKupp: <jamennib> I re-read (quickly) the posts between p. 120 (after GMVA played 6.Qc3) and p.137 (after GMVA played 7.Bg5) and you’re right, although I didn’t remember it as a significant aspect of the discussions. I guess it all depends on what you mean by “surprise”. Certainly some players were “surprised” in the sense of “not expecting it” but not necessarily in the sense of “catching us by surprise” or “totally unexpected”. Oh well, as you said, we need to get back to this game. But it was interesting rereading those old posts. |
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Jul-30-12
| | AylerKupp: <<parmetd> Don't post analysis since it won't be read. I will vote in silence> Oh, how I wish I had your discipline. And I’m sure that many others wish the same (that I had your discipline, that is). :-) Seriously, please continue posting your analyses. I certainly will read then to the best of my ability even though I might not agree with them or follow your recommendations. Certainly you can and should do the same with mine or anyone elses analyses. But I’m assuming that you’re participating in this game because you consider it enjoyable, and I would assume that performing the analyses and posting them, even though you might think that nobody reads them, would be part of that enjoyment. And if you think that we sometimes overdo statistics, you should try to join Team Black in the ongoing Thematic Challenge game and you might see to what silly lengths statistics can be carried out. Of course, you only have a 50% chance of joining Team Black . . . |
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| Jul-30-12 | | cormier: nite ... |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Thanh Phan: I admit it can take a while sometimes to read all the analysis and variations for one move, yet I still think it's helpful |
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| Jul-30-12 | | ge1144: How about posting fen for positions during the game? Helps achieve analysis quickly. |
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Jul-30-12
 | | OhioChessFan: Okay. Here's the current position:
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Jul-30-12
| | AylerKupp: <<ge1144>: How about posting fen for positions during the game?> We usually do. Typically we list the moves from the current move to the move before we start the analysis, a picture of the position at that point, the analyses, and then a picture of the position at the end of each analysis. Have you played in one of these games before? If you haven't maybe you should look at the previous game with GMVA. Here is a link to a sample page: Akobian vs The World, 2011. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | jamennib: <AylerKupp> My main point, however, was that, for the opening 10 moves or so, we are more or less trapped by the tyranny(?) of the most common move played at each point in the game. So, if I am right, world will start with e4 in every game we play. We do not have a way to arrive at a decision that will allow us to play another move, especially not a move such as b4, not now and not in any other game we play. |
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Jul-31-12
| | AylerKupp: <jamennib> You are probably right, although the “tyranny” is self imposed. I haven’t played in many of these games (this is my third against a GM) but I think that the World is getting too conservative. And my theory is that this is partly due to our unbeaten streak; we tend to choose safe, i.e. popular (most frequently played) moves, if not necessarily the absolutely most frequently played move then likely one of the top 3. In that sense our first loss will probably do us a world of good (pun definitely intended). Nobody likes to lose, certainly not me. And just because a game is drawn doesn’t mean that it’s not entertaining or fun. And we (certainly I) play these games for fun, and in high-level correspondence type chess (which is how I would characterize this game) I think that one must take calculated risks in order to have any winning chances. That doesn’t mean recklessness, but it does mean aiming for possibly unclear and unbalanced positions. And, of course, as the winning chances go up, the losing chances also go up. But I think there’s hope, and the Thematic Challenge going on is an example. It’s an Albin Countergambit, an opening chosen by vote prior to the start of the game. And I don’t think that I’m giving anything away, but on Black’s 5th move we played a move that does not appear in the 800+ Albin Countergambit games in chessgames.com’s database, nor in the 920+ Albin Countergambit games in the ChessTempo database, nor in I don’t remember how many ICCF games. Eventually we found 2 obscure games <after> we played the move. So maybe high-level correspondence games with computer assistance are becoming like checkers where the best opening move is known and so many games were played to memorized draws that the first few opening moves are often chosen at random in order to increase the challenge. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | ossipossi: <AylerKupp>: maybe we should variate early from theory. From this perspective <1.b4> is a hint: we should concentrate our efforts to find a complicated variation, in the <first moves>. Not a weak old move, just something brain/CPU consuming. Team is conservative, but could find itself agreeing with this principle. If Team is bound to follow <only> statistics plus binary outputs, we are facing an already played game. I know it is not easy task, transposition and simplifications are always possible, but what are our brains for, otherwise? |
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| Jul-31-12 | | cormier: good morning ... |
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| Jul-31-12 | | chessjones11: OhioChessFan, thanks for elucidating our current position. Looks drawish to me. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | cro777: We have the first-move advantage.
GM Akobian recently added the Caro Kann and Ruy Lopez to his favorite defenses against 1...e4 (the French Defense and the Czech System). In case 1...c6, in the Advance Variation (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5), we may select between: <4.Nf3> - the solid Short Variation, with the idea to complete development (by playing Nf3, Be2 and 0-0) laying claim to obtain a positional advantage (thanks to our space superiority) and <4.Nc3> - the aggressive Van der Wiel attack to commence (after Black's natural reply 4...e6) an attack on the kingside by playing g4, h4 etc. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | cro777: In case <1...e5> we have good chances (in a correspondence game) to win in the Ruy Lopez Berlin Wall endgame. We have enough strong correspondence analysts to help us handle the endgame advantage. <parmetd> is a major specialist in this line in correspondence for both colors. He has played the Berlin 85 times OTB and correspondence. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | chessjones11: What is the World Team's unofficial rating? It is bound to be pretty high. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | cormier: 3456 ... |
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| Jul-31-12 | | cro777: That is correct - between 3400 and 3500. We are advanced chess players (human players + computers + Spacebar Masters skills). |
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Jul-31-12
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| Jul-31-12 | | BadKnight: oh my god, chrisowen is so difficult to read! |
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Jul-31-12
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