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Jul-29-12
 | | OhioChessFan: <Boomie: And it took a brilliant game by Pogonina to draw us at two days per move. So I'm optimistic.> I think we chose a <horrible> opening and never had a prayer of winning. I don't want to start an uproar so I won't share my view of why that happened. But I will suggest we not be overly persuaded by any one particular charismatic kibitzer to the detriment of the team. |
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| Jul-29-12 | | cormier: 1.e4 <1...d6 1...e6 1...c6> 2.d4 and <1...e5 1...c5> 2.Nf3 or maybe .... |
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| Jul-29-12 | | cormier: 1. e4 d6 2.d4 c6 3. Nc3 Nd7 4.f4 Qc7 5. Nf3 g6 6.Bd3 Bg7 7.Be3 e5 |
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| Jul-29-12 | | cormier: followed by:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12
8.dxe5 dxe5 9.f5 gxf5 10.exf5 Ne7 11.Qe2 Nb6 12.0-0 Nxf5 13.Ng5 h6 14.Nxf7 Qxf7 15.g4 Qe7 16.gxf5 Rg8
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Jul-29-12
 | | AylerKupp: <OhioChessFan>, <Boomie> And don't forget that the Pogonina game was one day per move, not two days per move. It was a big challenge to exchange ideas and coordinate the moves of all those players in different time zones around the world in just one day. Knowing what I do now, I'm somewhat surprised that we came so close to winning, with one tempo often being the difference between the win and the draw. Then again, I don't know if any game will ever match the controversy at the beginning of the Pogonina game which thankfully I missed. |
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| Jul-29-12 | | rapidcitychess: Well, I see there has been a lot of speaking about the opening already. <Danger, Side Note!> I'm still alive. But honestly I've been rather lazy and not posted or played for a while... Hopefully this challenge will help me remember why I play chess. <End Side Note>
I honestly don't care what we choose for the first move, it's the moves that come after I care about. ;) I understand that the french defense would be the most likely opposition to 1.e4... So be it! The French defense tends to be a slow maneuvering game (unless it's not :D), where computers are generally weaker. Would that be to our advantage or to his? I honestly have no idea. Of course, his preparation in that area is most likely impeccable, so we could perhaps steer the lines into less commonly used territory. Once again, we could be caught up in his knowledge, or we could gain the advantage. So we could always not choose 1.e4, and go with another line. 1.d4 is the most likely counter to e4. And honestly, I have no idea what his lines are for d4. ^^' But I am not going to recommend the Catalan ever again. >.< |
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| Jul-29-12 | | cormier: http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/ta... akobian |
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Jul-29-12
| | OhioChessFan: <AK: Then again, I don't know if any game will ever match the controversy at the beginning of the Pogonina game which thankfully I missed.> <PZ> giving us the term "Spacebar Master" was worth all the hassle many times over. |
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| Jul-29-12 | | jamennib: Tell me if I am correct: In the opening, the game is essentially AV's. Team World has lots of ideas, with many willing to consider less played options, but with the voting format as it is now, team world will simply end up playing the most frequently played move at higher levels of chess. Since we represent the world, our voting will normally mirror statistical preferences. We may argue passionately and eloquently (sometimes not so charitably - see the last game vs VA) for interesting variations, but VA can be quite sure that we will make the most popular move at each point. In the last game, VA surprised us several times in the first 10 moves, but we ended up very predictably making our moves.
Then, at move 10, (see the discussion of that game), we opted for Re8. Then the game got interesting. I expect this game to follow a similar pattern.
Thus 1. e4 will be followed by VA's move; and yes, he may surprise us. This situation is irritating for some, but probably inevitable unless there is a change in the way we arrive at our decisions. The present format is great for midgame and endgame, but not for the opening. |
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Jul-29-12
| | AylerKupp: <<jamennib> In the last game, VA surprised us several times in the first 10 moves.> Which one of GMVA’s first 10 moves surprised “us”? Certainly not 4.Qc2, 7.Bg5, or 8.f3. I think that we anticipated and were prepared for each of his first 10 moves (and many more beyond move 10) since they were either the most frequently played moves per chessgames.com or moves that he had played before. I don’t recall being surprised by any of his moves until 21.Bxf6, and that was because it released all the tension and indicated that he would be happy with a draw. Even 14.Rh1 (at a point that he had many choices) or 15.Bf5 (temporarily giving up a pawn for some pressure) were the moves that we had anticipated he would play. |
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Jul-29-12
| | AylerKupp: <OhioChessFan> True, true. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | parmetd: I posted some analysis on the Berlin. While I strongly doubt we will see a Berlin, I want to challenge these 4. d3 folks now early and often so we can see the Berlin endgame advantage if Var choose this route! Please 4. d3 come challenge me! Show me your fears of the endgame! |
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Jul-30-12
 | | HeMateMe: This is certainly a fast paced game. At first, I thought I had stumbled onto a blitz competition. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Tante Netta: e4 is so boring! |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Pedro Fernandez: < Tante Netta: e4 is so boring!>
But 1.d4 is even more boring than 1.e4, don't you? I agree 1.d4 is the first move where the white maintain the initiative for more time, but so boring is 1.d4, but this move is a lot more complex than 1.e4, so this move clearly favors to a GM. Or what you meant 1.b4?? Sincerely I don't want lose vs GM Akobian in, at most, 30 moves. Honestly, 1.b4 is a starting stupid move, sorry. Hopefully he moves ...1.e3, and I think we have the chance. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | balzarius: The Berlin endgame is notoriously drawish as suggested by statistics (cca.46%of the games end in a draw and if we refine the statistics for the last years is even greater)whilst the percentage of drawn games in the 4.d3 variation is not that big.Just look at some of the recent games like Caruana-Kramnik in this year edition of Dortmund and we will see why current elite players embrace this variation. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | parmetd: wow you respond with false statistics instead of variations? Also this is corr chess not otb.
Maybe I should just quit the team now then. Thanks balzarius. I spent hours trying to help analysis and with one sweeping false lie you dismiss everything. No analysis just false statistics. "There are liars, damned liars and statisticians." |
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| Jul-30-12 | | balzarius: I apologise if you felt offended-it was not my intention.I only tried to suggest from a neutral statistical perspective (if you believe these are false statistics,I invite you to consult a reliable database and see that my allegations were not erroneous)that the 4.d3 is superior to the so-called Berlin Wall in terms of "drawishness". P.S.The debate is superfluous because,as we all expect,there are little chances to see 1...e5 from GMVA after all.
Warmly,balzarius |
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| Jul-30-12 | | whiteshark: Popcorn weeks coming! |
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| Jul-30-12 | | cormier: my internet clock is 4 minutes ahead of CC.com ? |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Waitaka: <balzarius> Every game there are a few players that threaten to leave the team for one reason or the other. And every game there are a few players that misinterpret good intentions, and fail to be supportive. And every game we have this endless discussion about the validity of statistic data. Please, keep up the good approach, good intentions, and good mood. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | Waitaka: AND to put fire on the endless statistic discussion, here is a link with a nice bunch of quotes about statistics, some in favor of it, some against it: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/k... And please, do not say that the majority of the quotes are against statistics, because that would be a statistical argument. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | jamennib: <AylerKupp>: Actually, read the discussion from page 121 (when AV made his 6th move) to just after he made his 7th move (7. Bg5 - page 135). Many seemed not to expect this move (quote: "this is a move that GMVA almost never plays"). Yes, we considered that move, but many seemed to expect otherwise. To bring the discussion back to this game, I just read, "The debate is superfluous because, as we all expect, there is little chance to see 1 ... e5 from GMVA." (Balzarius). |
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Jul-30-12
 | | chrisowen: Et tu brute again French could go for in Tarrasch a spatial one in together guess in scientific approach a ste3 classical zone in battle for one d4 too get bishop in entrance b7 or gel mind for in seems it herd in gobble centipawns handle in name for lets play a positional Tarrasch impress him i low alive in e6 d5 so behind in front again target in his weak it structure in backward pe6 or 8h rook classical exchange in cramped again yet sac could work it out in king favour ogle d4 and d6 ratchet in luck it enact in h4 rich in aim for f5 ellucidate one idea it try in light queend2 knightc3. |
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| Jul-30-12 | | chessjones11: I may be wierd, but I really enjoyed the Pogonina dustup. It was really quite entertaining.
and, although I can never hope to be a chess master, I wear my spacebar master title with pride. |
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