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| Jul-20-06 | | percyblakeney: One way to prevent multiple accounts betting on "bad" alternatives to raise the odds, is to have the bookmaker set the odds on all events. |
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| Jul-20-06 | | rvgrules: I confess to having four more accounts. However, you have not put the police officer on my case yet! LOL!! There must be atleast a dozen such cases ... <YouRang> is correct. Limit the game to the Premium members only. |
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| Jul-20-06 | | rvgrules: Another suggestion I have is to limit the number of contestants in a leg and to prescreen them. Of the 278 odd participants in the Summer leg, about 60-80 must be genuine. The rest must all be having atleast 3-4 extra accounts. |
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Jul-20-06
 | | Joshka: I agree with <YouRang> and <rvgrules> This game should be for premium members only. These folks with multiple accounts should be ashamed at themselves for cheating. Why should non-premium members get to play and have some fun with this game?? Should not there be incentive to become a premium member? I'm surprised this wasn't all worked out during the testing period. This is the best non-playing chess site on the net, but too many freebies for folks who are too cheap to pay for a premium membership. |
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| Jul-20-06 | | rustamrocks: <These folks with multiple accounts should be ashamed at themselves for cheating> I am ashamed ... However, it is human tendency to circumvent the rules if they haven't been framed properly. I have 12 additional accounts. |
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| Jul-20-06 | | Pythagoras: <Joshka><YouRang><rvgrules> You guys are all correct - this game should be for Premium Members only. I surrender my account as well ... |
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| Jul-20-06 | | YouRang: I wasn't really proposing that the game be limited to premium members, because this also has some downsides. First, the game just works better when lots of people participate (assuming they play fairly & all are trying to win). Second, it would be unfortunate to penalize non-premium members who do play fairly. But, as <rustamrocks> points out, one must expect such behavior if it can't be prevented. The 'honor system' isn't working, and cheating ruins the game. <Joshka> As I recall, it was originally the intent of <chessgames.com> to limit the game to premium members. Apparently, they decided to experiment with allowing everyone to play... Understandable, I mean, who would expect that people would cheat to get "chessbucks" on an anonymous account? :-| |
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| Jul-20-06 | | percyblakeney: Even if the betting on Biel closes the 22nd the first round of the tournament isn't played until the 24th. |
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Jul-20-06
 | | Chessgames Bookie: It was originally our hope that the nature of the game would make cheating very difficult, because if you can't figure out how to beat the odds with one account, you probably won't figure it out with 10 accounts. However, a very simple cheating strategy proved us wrong. Simply wait for some event where there are 10 roughly equal probable outcomes. Then put a maximum bet (1000 + 500 loan = 1500) on all 10 outcomes. While 9 of your accounts will go broke, one of them will have 15,000 chessbucks, guaranteed. If we limit the maximum bets, you could still use this technique to double or even quadruple your money, but to get up to 15,000 you would have to actually demonstrate some skill at some point. |
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Jul-21-06
| | Joshka: <rustamrocks> You admit to being ashamed, yet, you say it's human tendency to circumvent rules. Well that's like saying it's only human tendency to walk into a store and if the manager or cashier are not eye-balling you, go grab what you can and stuff it into your pocket cause they are not securing their goods quite enough. I feel bad for you if you need a "policeman" to constantly shepherd your behavior. |
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Jul-21-06
 | | tpstar: So your ChessBookie Game was just a clever ploy to attract new members using multiple accounts. Aye, what a dastardly plan ... This wasn't considered during beta testing because we all played the game fairly. It's worth noting that a Premium Member could just as easily create dummy accounts to influence the odds, with one key distinction that their primary handle must place the winning bet. Maybe you should restrict those "10 outcome" contests to Premium Members, yet still allow everyone to bet on events with only 3 potential results (Win/Lose/Draw). |
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| Jul-21-06 | | Larsker: I only notice the results from kibitzers I know from the discussion boards. The rest are probably cheaters or multiple accounts or whatever. |
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| Jul-21-06 | | YouRang: <tpstar>'s suggestion is interesting. You might also consider redistributing the wealth: Instead of giving all account 1000cb to start with, perhaps the premium members get 5000, and non-premium only get 200 (or something like that). So, everyone gets to play, but you have to be a premium members to play with 'serious' pretend money. :-) |
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| Jul-21-06 | | soughzin: I like the idea of a cap but I guess I'm biased against the premium only as I am not lol. |
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| Jul-22-06 | | Frenchfries: <So your ChessBookie Game was just a clever ploy to attract new members using multiple accounts. Aye, what a dastardly plan ...> That seems to be the case. Every website needs more members to attract web traffic and 'hits' to attract potential sponsors.
Still some more "cheat accounts" exist (such as mine) without the Police officer. Please go ahead and suspend my account ... |
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| Jul-22-06 | | percyblakeney: Morozevich ended up as favourite in Biel, betting everything on Radjabov as soon as the betting opened seemed a dubious idea when he was huge favourite at 1.70... If I had had something left to bet I would have put it on Muzychuk in the women's section, she's higher rated and younger than Lahno, and finished even with Dembo in the European Championship. 11.62 isn't a bad odds on Muzychuk, who has drawn both her games with black against Dembo, and beaten Cramling this easily already last year: A Muzychuk vs P Cramling, 2005 |
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| Jul-23-06 | | TIMER: I don't think it is fair for those who used multiple accounts to still be counted equally in the leaderboard. I took big risks to reach 14000 even though I have messed it up since. |
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Jul-23-06
| | Chessgames Bookie: Don't worry TIMER, there will be a big clean-up soon. Also please note the new bets for Biel round #1:
Biel Rd 1: Bruzon vs Morozevich
Biel Rd 1: Pelletier vs Carlsen
Biel Rd 1: Radjabov vs Volokitin |
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| Jul-24-06 | | cavaleiro: Mr. Chessgames Bookie: I am out of funds and I already have a loan, but is it possible to get another loan? I want to bet in biel's games!!! Thank you. |
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| Jul-24-06 | | cavaleiro: Well, I have only one account and I am not a premium member... That's an economic problem if you restrict the game only to premium accounts: adverse selection (or anti-selection). The goods pay for the bads. I like <percyblakeney> suggestion: to have fixed odds, set by the bookmaker before the event. |
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Jul-24-06
| | Chessgames Bookie: <cavaleiro> Visit the loanshark and see what he says. If you have money tied up in long term bets, then you're technically not broke, so he won't let you have any more. But if you're actually broke he will usually let you have another 100 every day or two. |
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Jul-24-06
 | | WannaBe: Handicapper's Corner! (Sorry, missed out on round 1, or if you're doing bad, Handi-Crapper's Corner! =) All information gathered from CG.com database.
Round 2
Carlsen-Morozevich
This will be their first ever match!!
Pelletier-Radjabov
This too, will be their first ever match!!
Volokitin-Bruzon
Bruzon leads the series with +2 -0 =3. When Volokitin has white pieces against Bruzon, he is +0 -0 =2 Round 3
Bruzon-Pelletier
This will be their first ever meeting!
Morozevich-Volkitin
They have faced off once before, with Morozevich winning with white. Morozevich vs A Volokitin, 2006 Radjabov-Carlsen
They have met once before, and it was 1/2-1/2. Carlsen vs Radjabov, 2006 |
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| Jul-24-06 | | cavaleiro: Here's the dilemma: I want to play and to bet on Biel's games, but I don't have any cash. As loanshark doesn't see me as a person in default, because I have chessbucks bet on "long term" events, he won't offer me new loans. So, is it immoral that I create a new account to bet? I don't want to cheat and I can't, as I will be playing in one event with only one account. What do you think? Letters to this forum. |
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| Jul-24-06 | | soughzin: I think you should just wait it out. I've noticed not to make huge bets because 1 you can enjoy the game longer with smaller bets and 2 you get better odds since your bets influence the odds(negatively)less. |
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Jul-25-06
| | Chessgames Bookie: <cavaleiro> You're not alone. It's one of the biggest mistakes that beginners to the game can make: you have all these chessbucks, propositions are up on the board to bet on, and before you know it you're 100% invested. Then the daily bets starts to show up but you have nothing left to wager. I saw your bets. My suggestion is to wait until Biel is finished, and at that point you'll either have a lot of chessbucks in your account or you'll truly be broke, in either case you can continue playing. |
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