| Aug-02-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: This might be <Stephen James Green> who worked as an auctioneer and who appears to have died in Brighton on July 9th, 1874. |
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Aug-02-25
 | | MissScarlett: On what basis? |
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| Aug-03-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: The only information that seems to be available about the chessplayer <S. J. Green> is that he was active in London chess during the period 1862-69, that he was a member of the London Chess Club and that he served on the managing committee of the BCA in 1868. There appears to be no chess source that gives his age, address, profession or even what his given names were. As with trying to identify <R. F. Bradford>, that leaves searching for people named 'S. J. Green' and seeing if they can be confirmed to be the chessplayer <S. J. Green>. Searching the databases for people with the initials 'S. J.' and the surname 'Green' who lived in London in the 1860s and who are old enough to have been the chessplayer <S. J. Green> turns up remarkably few hits. <Stephen James Green>, auctioneer, is in the 1862 London Post Office Directory: https://www.google.com/books/editio... Since I wrote the post above, I found a <Samuel John Green> (1832–ca1870), law writer, who might be a better candidate. |
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Aug-03-25
| | MissScarlett: <<S. J. Green> turns up remarkably few hits.> I would have supposed there would be more. That said, Stephen wasn't a particularly common name in the Victorian period. London Chess Club members tended to work and perhaps live in the City of London (which housed the financial and legal districts) so if either of your candidates could be located there, it would help. |
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| Aug-03-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: <Stephen James Green> was living on Lewisham Rd. in Greenwich in the 1861 Census. As in the link above, his work address was 113 Fenchurch St. <Samuel John Green> was living on Henry St. in Clerkenwell in the 1861 Census. |
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Aug-03-25
| | MissScarlett: <As in the link above, his work address was 113 Fenchurch St.> Yes, it's close to the club. Both are decent candidates. |
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Aug-04-25
| | MissScarlett: <<S. J. Green> is that he was active in London chess during the period 1862-69, that he was a member of the London Chess Club...<Samuel John Green> (1832–ca1870)> The coincidence is suggestive but the London Chess Club itself also seems to have gone out of existence in 1870. |
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Aug-04-25
 | | jnpope: Wasn't he given as "S. J. Green, Esq."?
Unlike the usage of "esquire" in the US, I believe it still had specific meaning in the UK in the 19th century. Something about being part of the landed gentry and owning an estate comes to mind. <MissScarlett> should know more about this, right? |
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Aug-04-25
| | jnpope: I found an S. J. Green working for Beuther's in an 1873 stock offering (office 28 Martin's-lane, Cannon-street, London, E. C.). He's given as the Secretary (pro tem). |
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Aug-04-25
| | jnpope: Same S. J. Green turns up as Secretary for the Northern Titanic Iron Ore and Smelting Company's 1872 stock offering. This is probably the "law writer"? |
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| Aug-06-25 | | WilhelmThe2nd: <j> Those are <Stephen James Green>, the auctioneer, surveyor, land agent, etc. From his bankruptcy notice in <The London Gazette>, June 30, 1874, p3293, <Stephen James Green, formerly of 35, Gresham-street, then of 28, Martin's-lane, both in the city of London, and of Newton Lodge, Lewisham High-road, in the county of Kent, but now of 17, New Steine, Brighton, in the county of Sussex, Land and Financial Agent.> |
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Aug-06-25
| | jnpope: Interesting. He's the only "S. J. Green, Esq." that pops up using that honorific, (well, him and the chess player). Although there is a hit for an "S. J. Green, Esq." involved with the New Cross Congregational Chapel in July of 1861. No idea if it was the auctioneer. I also got a hit for a solicitor that turns up in Ireland in 1866 listed at "206, Great Brunswick-street, Dublin". Can we run him down and eliminate him as having moved from London to Dublin? Although if it was him it would explain why he vanished from the London chess scene. |
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Aug-06-25
| | jnpope: He's not the solicitor from Dublin, nor is he the talent agent from Wasall, as I can place both those men in their own cities at the time of different chess events involving the chess-player S. J. Green (I'm taking the tack of eliminating various men named S. J. Green; if we can whittle the list down to the auctioneer then in all probability he's probably our suspect). |
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