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Jun-25-05 | | Pretzel Logic: Monty said on a tv documentary that "he was one of the all time great military geniuses, along with Alexander and Napoleon". Kinda sad. His "big victory" over Rommel in Africa occurred only after the British had a 10 to 1 advantage in tanks, men, planes, and fuel. His "Market Garden" operation got about 10,000 men killed or captured, Polish, english and Canadiens, I think. Their 60 mile drive into the Ruhr was on a narrow strip of land, which could not be resupplied. I don't think Eisenhower thought much of him, but was kind of stuck with him. The brilliant and pragmatic Churchill is a much better example of Brit leadership under times of war. Or some of their naval heroes like Nelson or Trafalger. |
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Jun-25-05 | | vampiero: personally, i think the greatest military commanders(non navel) were Sun Tzu, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, Hannibal, Caesar. Napoleon, Rommel, Zhukov. Out of the chess GM's, i think the best generals would be Capablanca (already explained), and Botvinnik because he intense opening preparation would show itself in the form of choosing what type of an attack or trap to set, and his crushing tank like style and amount of wins would always keep the morale of the troops up. |
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Jun-25-05 | | meloncio: <Pretzel Logic><naval heroes like Nelson or Trafalger> ??? I think you meant "like Nelson IN Trafalgar". Trafalgar is just a cape in the South of Spain, more or less 250 km from my hometown. |
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Jun-25-05
 | | Benzol: I think it a little strange that they name naval battles after the nearest piece of land even if it's miles away from where the battle took place.
I know you need a reference point but why can't they say "the naval battle which took place so many miles from a particular point". How far away from Cape Trafalgar was the Battle of Trafalgar? Other examples "The Battle Of The River Plate" or "The Battle Of North Cape". These encounters were many miles from the places actually named. |
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Jun-25-05 | | meloncio: <Benzol> I don't know the distance from the coast to the real place of the battle, but I read that the people on the cape couldn't see the ships, but they could hear clearly the sound of the cannons roaring many hours. Moreover, during several weeks after the battle, the tides were throwing to the shores of Trafalgar cape many human bodies (even in pieces eaten by the fishes), and all kind of debris from the battleships. A very sad story. |
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Jun-25-05 | | 50 Quatloos Newcomer: Did anyone see "enigma", a movie about British code breakers in London during WWII? Pretty good, true story. Some of the code breakers were chess GMs. I think Harry Golombek was there, any maybe William Winter. I don't think the Kate Winslet character was there in real life, but hey, whats a movie without a hot chick? |
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Jun-25-05 | | Knight13: Napoleon always tries to mate his opponent with Scholars Mate but it never worked against the players he played up there. That's his style, right? Okay. I'll give Napoleon a rating of 1800. |
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Jun-25-05 | | sneaky pete: <knight13> Yes, he lived around 1800, but a rating of 1800? You're very generous. |
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Jun-25-05 | | Knight13: <sneaky pete> How about a rating of 1700? That might fit but 1600 is okay, too, but sounds too weak for him. ;) |
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Jun-26-05 | | vampiero: if those games REALLY were played by him than i give him about a 1650-1700 |
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Jun-26-05 | | schnarre: <Perkins> It was the Canadians (Juno Beach front in Normandy).
<Pretzel Logic> I concur! Victory in North Africa was won by sheer weight of materials (even I could do that). I find Sir Claude Auckinlecht (I'm not certain if that's spelled correctly) to be a unsung hero of the early campaigns in Africa. |
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Jun-27-05 | | Cecil Brown: <acirce: <despite Stalin's purges> I would say "thanks to", partly at least.Getting rid of pro-German elements and anti-Soviet conspirers in general couldn't have hurt> I have to take issue with this. Sorry to anyone not interested for the length of this post. To quote my references:-
"Altogether 36,671 officers were executed,imprisoned or dismissed and out of 706 officers of the rank of brigade commander and above only 303 remained untouched. Cases against officers were usually grotesque inventions. Colonel K.K Rokossovsky, later the commander who delivered the coup de grace at Stalingrad, faced evidence purportedly provided by a man who had died nearly twenty years before." Anthony Beevor, Stalingrad
"There is also some evidence that Stalin had become alarmed by developments in Spain, where the Red Army contingent fighting against Franco (besides acquiring valuable tactical experience) was beginning to show it's teeth in conflict with the members of the NKVD who were attached to it.
Whatever Stalin's motives, and whether or not he intended to go as far as he did, the final figures are staggering. Only Budenny and Voroshilov survived among the Marshals. Out of eighty members of the 1934 Military Soviet only five were left in September 1938. All eleven Deputy Comissars for defence were eliminated. Every commander of a military district (including replacements for the first 'casualties') had been executed by the summer of 1938. Thirteen out of fifteen army commanders, fifty seven out of eighty five corps commanders, 110 out of 195 divisional commanders, 220 out of 406 brigade commanders were executed. But the greatest numerical loss was borne in the Soviet officer corps from the rank of colonel downward and extending to company commander level.
Before the purge the Red Army had been a vigorous and perceptive body, abundantly equipped and alert for new ideas. Afterwards innovation slowed down to a walking pace, technique disappeared, the 'Mass Army' reclaimed it's position as the proletarian ideal - but the trained reflexeswhich can quicken a mass and make it formidable had been eliminated." Alan Clark, Barbarossa
I personally find it impossible to believe that there was such a high level of pro German or anti Soviet cospiracy in the Red Army. Stalin may have believed it, but history judges him to have been paranoid to an unhealthy level. Although he still has his apologists here. Whatever the truth behind the reason for the purges, I think it is certain that they crippled the Red Army as a fighting force and led directly to the disasters of 1941 and the massive casualties, both military and civilain that resulted. Bad government. |
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Jun-28-05 | | schnarre: <Cecil Brown> Despite brilliance (in his early years in the party Stalin was regarded as a visionary [PBS series, Russia's War: Blood Upon the Snow]) he was increasingly power-hungry & paranoid. A bad combination in any case! |
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Jun-29-05 | | Greatful Fred: Napoleon got further than the German army, he just didn't like the hotel acccommadations when he got there... |
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Jun-29-05 | | meloncio: About Trafalgar topics: Yesterday some French & Spanish battleships were in 200 anniversary Trafalgar Memorial celebrations at Portsmouth, England. You Anglo-saxon people can't say we aren't perfect gentlemen :-D |
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Jun-29-05 | | schnarre: <meloncio> Very good! There is too little civility these days, alas. |
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Jun-29-05 | | InspiredByMorphy: <scnarre> You'll like this. Here are some big names winning with your favorite opening 1.a3 Steinitz vs Blackburne, 1873
Tarrasch vs Mendelson, 1879
Leko vs R Fontaine, 1995
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Jun-29-05
 | | keypusher: <scnarre> Let's not forget the man the opening was named for: Adolf Anderssen vs Morphy, 1858 |
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Jun-30-05 | | humanehuman: < meloncio >
They're oversexed
Ther're overpaid
and they're OVER HERE! |
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Jun-30-05 | | jamesmaskell: What was so wierd about the whole trafalgar thing is that those 'celebrations' involved the two sides which were the red and the blue teams...why not call them french and english. Why ignore history? |
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Jun-30-05 | | meloncio: <jamesmaskell><why not call them french and english?> Don't forget at least half of the "loser team" were Spanish battleships. And yes, the chief commander was a French admiral (Villeneuve). Here we use to say that that's the reason we lost :-)) |
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Jun-30-05 | | schnarre: <InspiredByMorphy>,<keypusher> Thanks both of you!! |
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Jul-03-05 | | farrooj: "The greatest danger occurs at the moment of victory" -Napoleon Bonaparte
One of my favorite quotes. It is really important to plan everything till the end, especially in chess... For other quotes check out my profile |
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Jul-04-05 | | Anna Wrekzia: I love the smell of grapeshot in the morning. It smells like....victory. |
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Jul-15-05 | | schnarre: I'v lost count of the number of people that have remarked:" There's nothing that can't be solved with enough duct tape & high explosives." Personally, I always had a preference for swords & the like. |
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