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| Oct-11-04 | | Willem Wallekers: 2 ... Nf6 makes it a Pirc. |
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| Nov-05-04 | | themindset: um, i think if black plays c6 later it becomes a robatsch/modern, doesn't it? |
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Nov-05-04
 | | Gypsy: <morphy234: It's it already Pirc after e4 d6? or does Nf6 make it a Pirc? > It is a bit of an excercise in splitting hairs, but 2...Nf6 indeed is the move that distinguishes Pirc from its relatives. The idea of the move is to induce immediate 3.Nc3 and block the c-pawn where it is. |
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| Nov-21-04 | | me to play: Here is one of my tourney games from the past...it was against an opponent that always played the Pirc. I had never "cracked" his pet defence until this game, interestingly after this game I built a big plus score in our future encounters. Any comments or improvements are welcome! 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Be2 Bg7
5.g4 d5?! 6.e5 Ne4 7.Bf4 Nxc3
8.bxc3 0-0 9.Qd2 c6 10.h4 f6 11.h5 g5
12.exf6 exf6 13.h6 Bh8 14.Be3 Qa5
15.Rh5 Re8 16.Kf1 Be6 17.f4 Bf7
18.Rh2 Qc7 19.Rf2 Qe7 20.Rf3 Nd7
21.fxg5 Qe4 22.Bd3 Qe7 23.gxf6 Bxf6
24.Re1 Qf8 25.g5 Bh8 26.g6 hxg6
27.Bxg6 Nf6 28.h7+ Nxh7 I should mention that I had about two minutes remaining here to reach the time control at move 40 ! 29.Bxh7+ Kxh7 30.Qd3+ Re4 31.Rh3+ Bh5+
32.Kg2 Qg7+ 33.Kh1 Rg8 34.Rxh5+ Kg6
35.Rg5+ Kf7 36.Rxg7+ Rxg7 37.Re2 Rh4+
38.Rh2 Rgh7 39.Rxh4 Rxh4+ 40.Kg2 Re4
41.Nf3 1-0 |
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Nov-21-04
 | | tpstar: <me to play> Great game! I'll bet your opponent was stunned by 5. g4!? which worked out very nicely. I liked your inventive KR play, eventually posting it on f3 for offense and defense. 22. Bd3 was good (22 ... Qxg4?? 23. Bf5 & 24. Bxd7), then your Kingside attack was flowing with 28. h7+! Nxh7 when 29. Bxf7+ wins material outright = 29 ... Qxf7 30. Rxf7 Kxf7 31. Bf2 because 29 ... Kg7? 30. Bh6#. Good job getting through that time scramble and scoring the full point! |
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| Nov-21-04 | | Avion: Well, according to the Alburt and Chernin, writers of "Pirc Alert!", 1.e4 d6 is a pirc. Modern is 1.e4 g6.
Me to play, 5.g4!? is interesting, but I really think that if black doesnt castle kingside, you won't achieve any plus in the openning...nice game anyway... |
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| Nov-21-04 | | me to play: <tpstar> Thanks, for the input! I agree that 5.g4 surprised him, because I thought his reply 5...d5 was dubious at best. At the time I believe 5.g4 was known as the "chinese variation", but as I have been away from tournament chess for awhile I'm not sure what current theory has to say. |
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| Nov-22-04 | | me to play: <Avion>You could be right about the ks castling...possibly the half open b-file discouraged him from considering a home for his king on the queen side.
He may have been ok with the ks castle if he had tried the more aggressive 9...c5, instead of 9...c6.
In any case, when he pushed his f and g pawns, his King's position became "breezy" in a hurry. |
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| Nov-28-04 | | ongyj: I'm just shocked at how unpopular this defence becomes, when now I'm actually attempting to make it part of my regular defence:( Black's position is ultra-solid IMHO. The real problem that I forsee is when White plays 3.f3, which is actually already a sign that he'll play eventual x.g4 and attack like the Sicilian Dragon. Well, I think Black does fine by waiting to castle, rather than çastling to it's own death'. In fact I may be one of the rare birds that find Pirc more playable than the Dragon, which I previously used. |
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| Nov-28-04 | | tomh72000: <ongyj> 3.f3 is what I often play against the Pirc (obviously hoping for a Samisch KID). |
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Nov-29-04
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: tomh72000, you have a good idea; never play your opponent's game, make him/her play yours. What do you do if Black plays 3...Nbd7, intending a transposition into a good version of the Philidor with 4...e5 (the pawn doesn't belong on f3 in that opening)? Your formation, though flexible, doesn't develop very quickly. You might want to dispense with c4 entirely to save time and continue with 4.Nc3, 5.Be3 and 6.Qd2 and eventually 0-0-0, with the usual King side attack. Of course, this normally arises from 3.Nc3,g6; 4.Be3 or 4.f3. |
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| Nov-29-04 | | tomh72000: <An Englishman> Good evening to you too, my fellow Englishman. 4...Nbd7 (I presume you meant move four, not move 3) is certainly not what I like to see after 3.f3! Nc3 followed by Be3, Qd2 etc I agree looks better than c4 first. Indeed, 3.f3 may be weaker than 3.Nc3 because of this. |
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| Dec-13-04 | | Avion: Well, personnaly, I don't consider 3.f3! at all...And I does play the Pirc often on both sides. With 3.f3 I responded with 3...e5.
The point is that castling isn't important in that position. Well, if 4.d5, black has still the better game according to theory...unless it had changed until the last time I checked...Innovations ruins my time! |
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Dec-21-04
 | | cu8sfan: All ye opening experts: I find the Pirc a pretty annoying answer to my 1.e4. Now I was wondering if 2.f4 wouldn't be a strong reply? It's not played very often but it leaves Black with not many choices, the best of which is a Sicilian. What do you think? |
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| Dec-21-04 | | randowan: <cu8sfan> f4 is indeed an annoying answer, because it's one of the few responses to g6 that does not allow black to play his own game. However, delaying f4 until later is also an option; this is usually called the Austrian Attack. |
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| Dec-21-04 | | randowan: BTW, if you're interested in the Pirc, I highly recommend Neil McDonalds and Jon Speelman's book on the Modern. |
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| Dec-21-04 | | zorro: < if 4.d5, black has still the better game according to theory> Can you please support this with lines and their authors? |
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Dec-21-04
| | cu8sfan: <randowan> Thanks! I thought of 2.f4 as a way to provoke a KGA, Fischer defence. Good to know that Pirc players find White's moves annoying, too. Interesting Neil McDonald would write about this opening. I have his King's Gambit book. But the KG is so different in style from the Pirc... |
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| Dec-21-04 | | zorro: <cu8sfan> if u play 2. f4 u must be ready to play a 2. f4-sicilian as well after 2...c5. |
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Dec-21-04
| | cu8sfan: <zorro> Right, thanks, that's what I wrote in my first post in this thread. Still less annoying than the classical Pirc I think. |
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| Dec-21-04 | | randowan: <cu8sfan> Really, Neil McDonald has written a King's Gambit book - I didn't know. I enjoyed his Modern book immensely (and so did GM Lars Karlsson, he borrowed my copy) so check it out - it provides both black and white with quite a few ideas. |
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Dec-21-04
| | cu8sfan: Here's McDonald's book on the King's Gambit. Thanks for your tip but I'll have to stop buying chess books and start reading them! (-; http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos... |
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| Dec-22-04 | | holierthanthou: <cu8sfan> I'm no pirc player, nor an opening expert, but I think a clever response to 1.e4 d6 2.f4 is the awkward-looking 2. ..d5. If you think the pirc is annoying, then pirc plus scandinavian must equal nervewrecking! ;-) It would seem to me that this move exploits the weaknesses of 2.f4 pretty efficiently (doesn't develop, overextends), in the same way as in 1.e4 c5 2.f4 d5, or 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5. How often you're going to encounter it, if at all, is another thing. Opinions on this opening too are more than welcome, always trying to learn something new! |
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Dec-23-04
| | cu8sfan: <holierthanthou> Now that sounds really annoying! I didn't think of it, Thanks! (-: |
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| Dec-23-04 | | zorro: <holierthanthou> It is true that black is ok in 1. e4 c5 2. f4 d5 but I am not sure this would still be the case playing it a tempo down like in ur line 1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5. But then, this is an abstract statement, just test it and let us know. |
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