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| Mar-05-04 | | refutor: any opinions on Tchigorin's 3. ... Nc6 in defense to 1.d4 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Bd3 aiming for ...e5? i'm always against blocking the c-pawn in 1.d4 openings, but it's never good to be dogmatic ;) |
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| Apr-10-04 | | ruylopez900: <refutor> I think the plan loses a tempo since e6 has already been played. <chessgames.com> Isn't White's set up here known as the Colle System? |
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| Apr-20-04 | | Dudley: This is as close as this site gets to the Colle system because it doesn't have its own ECO code. If white follows with Bd3, Nbd2, c3 then its a Colle system. If white follows with c4 its a type of queen's gambit. The Colle system is one one of the easiest "good" openings to learn. |
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| Jun-18-04 | | ruylopez900: <Dudley> Also playing Bd3, Nbd2, 0-0, b3 and Bb2 leads to the colle Zukertort, one of the sharper lines (I believe your line is the Koltanowski variation which is more solid). |
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| Jun-19-04 | | Dudley: The Zukertort line was just used in a prominent game Vanagian(sp?)vs. Adams which white won. You probably saw the huge argument about it on the Adams web site. I have used the Colle-Kolti line for blitz, and even though it seems pretty tame, black has to be alert or bad things can easily happen. Haven't tried the line you mentioned but it seems a lot like the stonewall attack the Colle can transpose into, more closed. I like the Kolti line because it opens up quickly. |
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| Oct-23-04 | | Larsenb3: The only time I lose with this opening is because I get to closed, any suggestions? |
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| Dec-26-04 | | Dinochess: What do you mean Larsenb3?
I have a French Tarrasch game listed under D05!!??
That is extremely annoying for database statistics. |
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| Feb-13-05 | | SchemeSC: In the Colle System, after ...c5 is played, does black usually develop his QN to c6 or d7? |
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| Feb-21-05 | | refutor: can anybody suggest a good anti-colle line? i get frustrated playing against it or the zukertort |
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| Mar-13-05 | | Dudley: The Colle is ineffectiv against a King's Indian setup with ...d6 and ...e5. Another good line is a Kside fianchetto with ...d5,..c5, ...Nbd2 but holding back the e pawn. Koltanowski recommended this line in his own book on the Colle. There are really a lot of good Colle counters,you just have to be patient. |
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Mar-13-05
 | | Eric Schiller: <refutor> My students run into 3...Nc6 a lot, and 4.Bb5 is the correct reply. |
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Mar-13-05
| | Eric Schiller: There are really two different openings discussed here in D05. The traditional Colle with c3 and the Moeern Colle (Rubinstein) with b3. I am a big fan of the latter, which is the choice of many strong players. The c3-colle suffers too much from a bad bishop, IMHO. As for remedies, John Watson and I gave some advice in iur Big Book of Busts, and we are working on some new ideas for a d-pawn volume follow-up to our Survive and Beat Annoying Chess Openings (Vol. 1 just has 1.e4 e5). Once Black has played ...Nf6, ...d5 and ...e6, there are no anti-Colle ideas left. Neither Colle works well against Black's kingside fianchetto, so in that case I recommend c4, going back to main lines. |
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| Mar-15-05 | | Dudley: I didn't know that Bb5 would be good against 3...Nc6 ,which is a common line. It's kind of a problem because if White follows with Bd3, Black has Nb4, so White has to waste a tempo with c3 to prevent it ,but that gives Black time to move ...e6 ,...Bd6 and ...e5 before White can move e4. Of course, I am referring to the Kolti variation. I usually move 4.c4 in response to 3...Nc6, heading for Chiorgan's defense lines. Maybe White could just forget about moving the c pawn altogether and if ...Nb4,...Nxd3 he can recapture with the c pawn and strengthen the e4 break. The basic problem seems to be that there is no real pressure on Black's d pawn. It is a Black opening reversed, after all. |
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Mar-15-05
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: There might be a mixup of openings here. 1.d4,d5; 2.e3 is usually an attempt to get into the Stonewall Attack with the eventual f2-f4 and c2-c3. After 2...Nf6 (Nc6!?); 3.Bd3,Nc6; 4.f4 or 4.Nf3 run into 4...Nb4. But if White plays 4.Bd3-b5, Black's lead in development will grow large enought that he can probably get away with 4...Bd7 or even 4...Qd6, with the idea 5.Nf3,Bg4, followed by ...a7-a6. |
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Mar-15-05
| | An Englishman: Dear Mr. Schiller: I used to play many games against a Colle expert who favored this move order--1.d4,Nf6; 2.Nd2!? If Black played 2...d5, great, he'd head into Colle territory. If Black played 2...d6 or 2...g6, no problem, he would play the system Geller created vs. the Pirc, namely 3.e4, with c2-c3, Ng1-f3 and Bd3 to follow. Best against 2.Nd2 might be 2...c5. |
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| Mar-15-05 | | Dudley: <an Englishman>I think we were talking about 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Nc6 which seems to be a common respose among the uninformed to the Colle system, as if you are playing a Ruy Lopez or something. At least that's what I was talking about. The move...Nc6 really can work well against the Stonewall , in fact it's supposed to be a theoretical refutation. |
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Mar-16-05
| | An Englishman: Dudley: A mixup sounds about right. I was referring to refutor's Mar-05-04 post and Eric Schiller's Mar-13-05 post. Darn all of these miscellaneous QP openings! |
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Aug-13-05
| | Eric Schiller: I've posted excerpts from my forthcoming book on the Rubinstein Attack (thanks to chessgame.com friends for the proofing help!) at www.ericschiller.com. The book should be available from BrownWalker in a couple of months. I posted a couple of games by Rubinstein himself. It is a real shame that ECO has dumped the opening into several codes [A46 and A47 as well as D05 and a few others]. |
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Aug-13-05
| | Eric Schiller: <Dudley> 3...Nc6 does come up from time to time, and then White must abandon the Rubinstein/Colle formula, because Black will be able to play ...e5. If White is to gain an advantage in the opening, the liberating move ...e5 must be prevented so that a White knight can use e5 as an outpost. So, after 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.e3 Nc6, White might as well play 4.Bb5 or switch to the White side of a Chigorin Defense with 4.c4. |
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| Sep-16-05 | | Paul123: The Colle is a reversed Slav so as someone who plays the Colle 1. d4 …2. Nf3…and 3. e3 I play a reversed French against KID. Black equalizes in the French when he faces the KIA. So being a move up white gets good play For example, 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.e3 Bg7 4.c4 0–0 5.Nc3 d6 6.Be2 Nbd7 7.b4 e5 8.0–0 Re8 9.a4 etc... (got the idea from a great book on the Colle system by Smith and Hall. However, I don’t like the line they recommend when someone slips into a Grunfeld against you. It is actually a bad line in the Closed Catalan
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 4.Bd3 Bg7 5.c3 c5 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.0–0 0–0 8.b4 !? it gives you a slight plus but once black pushes c4!? Then all white can do is to push a4 and put a knight on d4 when black eventually pushes e5. There is play but very little in my opinion A better line is in my opinion (i.e again a Catalan with the colors reversed ……. 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e3 g6 4.Be2 Bg7 5.c3 c5 6.Nbd2 Nbd7 7.b3 0–0 8.Bb2 |
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| Sep-29-05 | | jdlasmarias: hi everyone..isn't this the colle system? where play goes 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3 followed by White's Bd3, Nbd2, 0-0, Re1 and e4..is this a good opening? i've read somewhere that black equalizes after 1 d4 d5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 e3 and now Bf5 or Bg4..Bg4 is particularly quite annoying..:) |
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| Dec-25-05 | | Dudley: Yes 3... Bf5 or Bg4 are annoying but if you are going to play the Colle, you have to learn when to switch to a Queen's Gambit and those two moves definitely call for it with 4.c4 followed by Qb3, trying to exploit the absence of Black's QB. This isn't what White was hoping for but is not exactly dangerous. These lines take some analysis as there are some exact moves needed to extricate the queen if Black allows Qxb7. As always in chess, no free lunch. |
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| Jul-02-06 | | James Demery: Against the Kings Indian or the Dutch is it best to transpose into the Queens Gambit? I read the Colle is not very effective against those systems. Is that true? |
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| Nov-25-06 | | Kwesi: What about this for my new crazy idea:
1. d4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. e3 e6
4. Bd3 c5
5. c3 Nc6
6. Nbd2 g5?!!
borrowing ideas from the shirov-shabalov gambit in the semi-slav. |
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| May-26-07 | | unluckythirtyfive: Hello everyone. I just discovered the Colle system and I like it a lot! The only problem is, I don't know how to pronounce it. Would it be pronounced "Coal" or "Cah luh"? I am totally clueless! Help please. |
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