Edgar Colle vs Jules Delvaux (1929) Colle Come Home

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Edgar Colle vs Jules Delvaux
"Colle Come Home" (game of the day Sep-27-2019)
Ghent (1929), Ghent BEL
Colle System (D05) · 1-0

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Apr-13-19		stacase: [15.Nxf7] Doesn't go anywhere useful. So, what about forking Black's Queen and Rook [15.Nxe6]? Looks like White can get two pawns for the Knight and crack open the Black King's protection. Well Black chose [15...fxe6] and it's a King hunt.

Apr-13-19		ChessHigherCat: Easier than Tuesday: 15. Nxe6 fxe6 (if Na5 then Nxd8 Bxe4 wins and 15...Re8 doesn't work either) 16. Qxg6+ Bg7 17. Bxh6 Qf6 18. Qh7+ Kf7 19. Bxg7 Qxg7 20. Bg6+ Ke7 21. Qxg7+ Aha, the game line looks more forcing.

Apr-13-19		ChessHigherCat: I mean if 15...Na5 then Nxd8 Bxe4 Bxe4 attacking the rook and threatening Nxf8 wins

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: White wins with 15.Nxf7 Kxf7 16.Qxg6+ Ke7 17.Bxh6 Rf7 18.f4 (18.d5? Ne5!)18.-Qg8 19.f5 (19.Qh5? Nxd4!), in the match one could Play 20.-Nf4 instead of 20.-Rg8, more resistive.

Apr-13-19		Jimfromprovidence: After the missed 15...Nxe4, white finishes this game very well. I really liked 19 Bh5 below, which prevents both 19...Rh8 and 19...Rf7. click for larger view 19...Ne7 was a big mistake, cutting off the e7 square for the king and allowing 20 Bxh6. click for larger view Now black has no good moves; 20...Bxh6, for example, loses a lot of material after 21 Qxh6+ Ng6 22 Qxg6+,etc., so black tried 20...Rg8 unsuccessfully instead.

Apr-13-19		messachess: Nice straight forward--irresistible--combination.

Apr-13-19		offramp: Played in Ghent, which is a beautiful town. It's so good they named it thrice. The Flemish (who should know) call it Gand. The French call it Gent, so that the men's toilets there are called <Gent's Gent's>. The English have an old name and a new name for it. Ghent is the new name. It was in this town that English patriarch <John of Gaunt> was born - and Gaunt is Old English for Ghent.

Apr-13-19		agb2002: This is the 3rd game in Chernev's "Logical Chess".

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: Please note, that 15.Nxe6 allows symmetry play with 15.-Nxd4 (wins a piece) or 15.-Na5, while 15.Nxf7 will be followed by Qxg6+. But I saw, that 15.-Na5 16.Nxd8 Bxe4 17.Bxe4 Raxd8 18.b4! wins. And 2 pawns after 16.Qxb7 Nxb7 17.Nxd8 Rfxd8 18.Bxh6 g5 19.f4 or 15.-Na5 16.Qxb7 fxe6 17.Qa6 Qb6 18.Qxb6 axb6 19.Bxh6 even 3p.

Apr-13-19		Whitehat1963: Great finish! I couldn’t find my through to solve it,

Apr-13-19		malt: 15.N:e6 fe6 (15...N:e4 16.Q:b7 N:e6 17.B:h6 ) 16.Q:g6+ Bg7 17.Qh7+ Kf7 18.Bg6+ Kf6 19.Bh5 Tried to find a good move for Black here 19...Qd7..Qd5...Rh8

Apr-13-19		goodevans: There have been a couple of mentions that <15... Nxd4> would have been a better defence. Also worth considering is that this move would be even more effective after <15...Qc8 16.Nxf8?>. Now after <16...Nxd4> the white Q is under attack with no good escape square. click for larger view Of course white isn't obliged to take the rook straight away and can keep up the pressure with, for example, 16.d5. Things would then get really complicated as both sides have many viable options to consider. The fact that black has alternatives to <15...fxe6> where the play is less forced is what promotes this from a weekday to a weekend puzzle.

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: 15.-Qb8 better than -Qc8 after 16.Nc6 Nxd4 17.Nxb7 Nxc2, no Nd6 now, or 17.Qxb7 Qxb7 18.Nxb7 Nxc2 19.Qxc2 Qxb7 20.Bxh6 one pawn for white.

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: corr: 16.Nc5

Apr-13-19		goodevans: <Walter Glattke: 15.-Qb8 better than -Qc8 after 16.Nc6 ... corr: 16.Nc5 ...> But white wouldn't play <16.Nc5>. He'd play <16.Nxf8> since <16...Nxd4> could now be met by <17.Nd7 Bxe4 18.Bxe4!>. So, no 15...Qb8 isn't better than 15...Qc8. But I don't think either of these Q moves would actually save the day for black. The point I was trying to make in my previous post was that there are several complex options to consider other than 15...fxe6 which is what makes this such a hard puzzle.

Apr-13-19		rudiment: 15. Nxe6 threatens to demolish Black's kingside and pretty much forces the exchange. I didn't see the rest of the game line after 16...Bg7.

Apr-13-19		Prudov: offramp The Flemish call it Gent. The French call it Gand. As a Dutchman I should know.

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: Congratulation to 17.Nd7! very strong, it seems, black must play 17.-Bxe4 18.Bxe4 as you have shown, 18.-Ne2+ 19.Kh1 Qd6 20.Nxf6+ Qxf6 21.Bxa1. White is a piece ahead then.

Apr-13-19		Walter Glattke: But after 15.-Qc8 I prefer 16.Nc5 with a pawn more, so 16.Nxf8 Nxd4 17.Qe3 Nxc2 18.Qxh6 Fails by 18.-Qxf8! and 16.d5 could be answered with 16.Re8 (16.-Re7? 17.Nxf8!) 17.Bxh6 Ne7 18.Nf4!? Nxd5 19.Qf3!? Ne3 20.Qg3 Nxc2 21.Nxg6 Nxa1 22.Ne7++ Kh7 23.Nxc8 Raxc8 so I am not sure, whether 16.d5 can win.

Apr-13-19		Breunor: For answers from over 15 years ago .... From the computer: As was suggested, black should have played 12 Nxe4, however, the difference between it and g6 is small, about .2: 1) +0.39 (20 ply) 12...Nxe4 13.Qxe4 g6 14.Qh4 Bxg5 15.Bxg5 f6 16.Bh6 Rf7 17.Rfe1 Qd7 18.a4 Ne7 19.axb5 Qxb5 20.Ra2 Nf5 21.Qh3 Nxh6 22.Qxh6 Bd5 23.h4 Qb7 24.f3 Rg7 25.Ba4 Re7 h6 cost 1 point: 1) +1.43 (22 ply) 13.Nxf6+ Bxf6 14.Qe4 g6 15.Nxe6 Nxd4 16.Qxb7 Nxe6 17.Bxh6 Bg7 18.Be3 Rb8 19.Qxa7 b4 20.Rad1 Qh4 21.cxb4 Bxb2 22.f4 Ra8 23.Qd7 Rfd8 24.Qc6 Ra3 25.Qb6 Rxe3 26.Rxd8+ Qxd8 27.Qxe3 Bd4 So black probably isn't 'lost' yet but is behind. After white plays 14 Qe4, the game move g6 is best: 1) +1.38 (27 ply) 14...g6 15.Nxe6 Nxd4 16.Qxb7 Nxe6 17.Bxh6 Bg7 18.Be3 Rb8 19.Qxa7 b4 20.Rad1 Qh4 21.cxb4 Rxb4 22.b3 cxb3 23.Bxb3 Nd4 24.Bxd4 Bxd4 25.Qc7 Qg5 26.Qd6 Bc5 27.Qd5 Qxd5 28.Rxd5 Bb6 29.Rd7 Rd4 2) +1.92 (26 ply) 14...Re8 15.Qh7+ Kf8 16.Ne4 Ke7 17.Nxf6 Kxf6 18.Re1 Nxd4 19.cxd4 Qxd4 20.Bd1 Qd5 21.Bf3 Qf5 22.Qxf5+ exf5 23.Be2 g5 24.Bd2 Kg6 25.g3 a6 26.Be3 Rad8 27.a4 Bc6 28.axb5 axb5 29.Ra5 Rd7 30.h4 f4 31.gxf4 gxh4 32.Kh2 Kg7 33.f5 The losing move after the obvious 15 Nxe6 was the disastrous fxe6? 1) +5.85 (27 ply) 16.Qxg6+ Bg7 17.Qh7+ Kf7 18.Bg6+ Kf6 19.Bh5 Qd5 20.Qg6+ Ke7 21.Qxg7+ Kd6 22.Qxb7 Rab8 23.Qh7 Qxh5 24.Bxh6 Qf7 25.Bxf8+ Rxf8 26.Qh4 Qf4 27.Qh3 Qf5 28.Qg3+ Qf4 29.Qxf4+ Rxf4 30.g3 Rf5 31.f4 b4 32.cxb4 Rd5 33.Rac1 Rxd4 34.Rfd1 Rxd1+ 35.Rxd1+ Kc7 36.b5 Nb4 37.b3 cxb3 for the puzzle, I thought 15 Nxf6 was staring me in the face, but I looked at Re8 as the response, and I got lost in some of the complications. Best is (as suggested by my colleagues above) Nxd4 which I didn't consider: 1) +1.39 (26 ply) 15...Nxd4 16.Qxb7 Nxe6 17.Bxh6 Bg7 18.Be3 Qb8 19.Qf3 Qe5 20.Rae1 b4 21.Bc1 Qf6 22.Qxf6 Bxf6 23.cxb4 Rab8 24.a3 a5 25.bxa5 Bxb2 26.Bxb2 Rxb2 27.Bxg6 Ra8 28.Re5 fxg6 29.Rxe6 Rxa5 30.Rxg6+ Kf8 31.Rc6 Rxa3 32.Rxc4 Raa2 2) +2.48 (25 ply) 15...Qc8 16.d5 Ne7 17.Nxf8 Qxf8 18.Qf3 Bg7 19.Rd1 Rd8 20.Be3 Nxd5 21.Bxa7 b4 22.Be4 Qd6 23.cxb4 Bxb2 24.Rab1 Be5 25.Bc5 Qe6 26.Bd4 f5 27.Bxe5 fxe4 28.Qxe4 Re8 29.f4 c3 We see Nxd4 is the only move that keeps the game manageable.

Apr-13-19		RandomVisitor: 15...Nxd4 might be best, however: click for larger view Stockfish_19032014_x64_modern: <49/81 +2.19 16.Qxd4 Qe7 17.Qe3 Qxe6 18.Qxe6 fxe6 19.Bxh6> Bg7 20.Bg5 Bf6 21.Bxf6 Rxf6 22.Rad1 Bd5 23.Rd4 Kg7 24.f3 a5 25.Re1 b4 26.Kf2 b3 27.axb3 cxb3 28.Be4 Bxe4 29.Rexe4 Rff8 30.Rd7+ Rf7 31.Rd6 Rf6 32.Ra4 Rf5 33.Rxe6 Rd5 34.h4 Rd2+ 35.Re2 Rd1 36.Kg3 Ra7 37.c4 Rc1 38.Re3 Rb7 39.Rxa5 Rxc4 40.Ra3 Rc2 41.Rexb3 Rxb2 42.Rxb7+ Rxb7 43.Kh3 Rb4 44.g4 Rb2 45.Ra7+ Kf6 46.g5+ Ke6 47.Kg4 Rh2 48.Ra6+ Kf7

Apr-13-19		thegoodanarchist: More of a Thursday/Friday puzzle, IMO. I got it, and I don't always get Saturday puzzles.

Apr-13-19		RandomVisitor: Perhaps black went astray much earlier: After 7.0-0 click for larger view Stockfish_19032014_x64_modern: <48/63 1:26:28 +0.11 7...0-0> 8.dxc5 Bxc5 9.b4 Bd6 10.Bb2 Qe7 11.b5 Ne5 12.Nxe5 Bxe5 13.a4 Rd8 14.Qc2 b6 15.a5 Bd7 16.c4 Bxb2 17.Qxb2 Rac8 18.axb6 axb6 19.Rfc1 Be8 20.Bf1 h6 21.cxd5 Rxc1 22.Rxc1 Nxd5 23.Nf3 Qb7 24.Qa1 Rc8 25.Rxc8 Qxc8 26.Qa7 Qd8 27.Nd4 Qc7 28.Qa3 Nf6 29.Qa8 g6 30.h4 Kg7 31.Nc6 Qd6 32.Qa4 Qc5 33.Bc4 Bxc6

Sep-27-19		spingo: There was a film called "Lassie Come Home" and Lassie was a collie dog. She was a bitch. Hence the pun.

Sep-27-19		ajile: 7..c4 by Black is known to be positionally horrible in the Colle. Black gives up pressure on d4 for a slight q-side space advantage. But After White plays e4 the lack of pressure on d4 means Black loses center counterplay.

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