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Aug-04-17
 | | HeMateMe: Aronian didn't realize the black King was going to become mobile and decide the game on the queenside. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | luzhin: 33.Ke2?? seems an incredible blunder, as Aronian just missed 33...Bb4! But the idea behind Ke2 is clear: he wants to get his Knight to the ideal square d3. And after 33...Re8 (which perhaps Aronian expected) he would have played 34.Kf1 with an implicit draw offer. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | luzhin: And Caruana could have saved himself a lot of work with 40...g5+! with the point 41.Ke3 Bc5+ --but then we would have missed a fascinating ending. |
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Aug-04-17
 | | Check It Out: As someone else said, epic endgame! |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Bluegrey: 106.Kh3 was a mistake but the position was already lost by then |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Imran Iskandar: Perhaps someone with access to tablebases could tell us whether any of the positions after 74...Rxg4 are drawn or won for Black. Good outcome for Caruana (obviously), who could look forward to two Whites in his next two games. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Bluegrey: They are lost for white as are the endgames with rook exchange with double g pawns for white |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Bluegrey: But with perfect play from white its incredibly tough to win this. The position after blacks 74th is a mate in 51 but not very obvious how black wins |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Ulhumbrus: 33 Ke2 looks like a blunder, walking into the pin ...Re8. However as <Luzhin> has indicated, this is so only because 33...Bb4 changes the picture and with tempo by compelling White's rook to leave the e file. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | JohnBoy: <Bluegrey> - I very much enjoy the fact that for most of the endgame white cannot afford to swap rooks, despite the queening square for the black h pawn being of the wrong color. The double gs kill white! |
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| Aug-04-17 | | BwanaVa: What is the mating finish to this game? |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Nerwal: <What is the mating finish to this game?> ♖c2. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | JimNorCal: White is in check.
After K moves (either square), Rc2 and its mate unless black gives up R for B.Most of us can win K+R vs K, no? :) |
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| Aug-04-17 | | Mirovsk: Uau....more than six hours of fight.. as ferocious as chess can be... |
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| Aug-04-17 | | johnkr: Does appear to be a win for Black after 106 Kh3 Bd6! but curiously this position would not be won with Rooks off, because of the wrong-colored Bishop. I'd like to see a definitive analysis. |
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| Aug-04-17 | | BwanaVa: Nerwal and JimNorCal-Thank you! |
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| Aug-05-17 | | SuperPatzer77: <JimNorCal: White is in check.
After K moves (either square), Rc2 and its mate unless black gives up R for B....> <JimNorCal> It should say "Unless White gives up R for B" because White is forced to capture Black bishop after 111...Rc2. Actually, it's wrong color! SuperPatzer77 |
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| Aug-05-17 | | SirRuthless: Very nice conversion from Fabiano but LEvon just blundered a piece and gifted him the chance, still, Fabiano was able to produce enough pressure to incite the blunder so credit for an important win. |
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| Aug-06-17 | | Saniyat24: I saw the last part of this match live on Youtube... |
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| Aug-11-17 | | patzer2: <Ulhumbrus: 33 Ke2 looks like a blunder, walking into the pin ...Re8.> That's what I thought when I saw the strange plan of walking the King into an awkward self-pin. The computer apparently agrees. Instead of 33. Ke2? allowing 33...Bb4 -+ (-2.71 @ 36 depth), Stockfish 8 indicates White should consider holding the position with 33. Re2 = to ⩱ (-0.31 @ 35 depth.) |
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| Aug-11-17 | | patzer2: Another good alternative appears to be 33. f4 f6 34. Nc6 = to ⩱ (-0.36 @ 39 depth, Stockfish 8) |
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Aug-20-17
 | | Pioneer27: At move 57, had Aronian exchanged Rooks, how would Black win? Black has a Rook pawn and a Bishop of the wrong color. |
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| Aug-20-17 | | Nerwal: <At move 57, had Aronian exchanged Rooks, how would Black win? Black has a Rook pawn and a Bishop of the wrong color.> Black stalemates the white king on h3 or h1 with his king and bishop, forcing White to play g4-g5. Black can then capture on g5 without drawing since White has another pawn on g3; without the g3 pawn it would be a draw. |
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| May-13-21 | | Landman: <Pioneer27> <Nerwal> Starting at move 93, Kasparov demonstrates the winning method. Short vs Kasparov, 1989 [info courtesy Batsford Chess Endings] |
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| May-13-21 | | Landman: I watched this game live at the St. Louis Chess Club in the no-engine GM discussion room. During moves 45-55 (~30-60 min total), GM opinions (V. Akobian and E. Hansen) went back and forth between Draw and Win for Black. I vaguely recalled that Bishop + wrong rook pawn is surprisingly a win if the opponent has doubled Knight pawns [turns out this was from BCE referenced above]. Based on this hazy recollection I claimed Win for Black somewhere around move 52. This evaluation was subsequently and indirectly confirmed by both participants when Fabi offered the R exchange (move 56) which Levon then declined. |
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