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| Mar-20-17 | | sid299792: My first thought was Nf7+ QxN QxQ with mate to follow. But I guess Qg8+ works as well |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Kafelnikov64: Ayer 28. Nf7+,Kg8; 29. Nh6+,Kh8 we are back in the initial position. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Geronimo: 24.Re8 is the really brutal move. Sad thing is, after 14.Na5 black probably chuckled "got this" to himself. |
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Mar-20-17
 | | radtop: The puzzle was simple. It was the journey getting there that was interesting. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | AlicesKnight: 28.Qg8+ with mate next move. Pretty variant on Philidor's legacy. <ChessHigherCat:> Doesn't 24....Rxe8; 25.Qb3+ lead to the mate faster? |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Infohunter: Philidor's Legacy run-up, finishing with an Arabian Mate. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Once: <ChessHigherCat: 24. Re8!! is like some kind of supercomputer move. If 24...Rxe8 then the follow up most be 25. Nxc6 ....> There is a faster way. If black had played 24...Rxe8 
click for larger view... white mates with 25. Qb3+. The finish would be something like this: 25. Qb3+ Re6 26. Qxe6+ Kh8 27. Nf7+ Kg8 28. Nxd8+ Kh8 29. Qe8+ Nf8 30. Qxf8# It's a fascinating game to play through. Black struggles with a common problem in the Dutch - it's not always easy to get your queenside pieces out. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Abdel Irada: ∞
<<+> Rook at it like this: An X-ray spectacle <+>> At first glance, this resembles a classic smothered mate: Philidor's Legacy. (Or, as my late friend Don Gardiner used to call it, "Smothers Brothers.") But there are two differences:
<<+> 28. Qg8+, Rxg8 > Now here, in a PL, is where we'd triumphantly drop the knight on an undefended f7 with mate. But f7 *isn't* defended; the queen is watching it. (Difference #1.) However, this doesn't matter, because our rook was watching g8 through the rook on f8. (Difference #2.) Taking *on* f8 would have been pointless, because the queen defended. But on g8, the black rook is undefended, so: <<+> 29. Rxg8# > and Black is just as dead.
But what to call this mating pattern? A smothered Arabian? An Arabian Legacy? What would Don Gardiner say?
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| Mar-20-17 | | morfishine: <28.Qg8+> and whatever you want to call it, Black ends up smothered, much like chicken-fried steak, smothered in gravy ***** |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Abdel Irada: ∞
I've eaten chicken-fried steak *once*, when I was in the Navy on the USS Mars. The breaded coating tasted fine, but the texture of the meat inside resembled a Goodyear product. ∞ |
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| Mar-20-17 | | ChessHigherCat: <AlicesKnight>: Doesn't 24....Rxe8; 25.Qb3+ lead to the mate faster?>
Yes, as pointed out once by <AlicesKnight> and then twice by <Once>, 25. Qb3+ is faster, but you have to admit that White's disdain of taking either of the rooks en prise with 26. Qd5+ is pretty (or at least pretty anti-materialistic) |
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| Mar-20-17 | | LIzzard: Spent too much time on this wanting the smothered mate - sigh... |
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| Mar-20-17 | | RandomVisitor: I have a simple set of guidelines for solving the Monday puzzle: 1. Try to sacrifice the queen.
2. Try harder to sacrifice the queen.
3. Try to sacrifice a rook.
4. Try to sacrifice a bishop.
5. Try to sacrifice a knight.
I solved the puzzle when I got to step 2... |
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| Mar-20-17 | | TheTamale: Thanks to <ChessHigherCat> for explaining why Black doesn't just play 24) Rxe8. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: This took me at least half a minute. I was distracted by the resemblance to smothered mate positions, and then looked at Rxf5 lines, before settling down and finding the thoroughly Mondayish actual solution. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | morfishine: To prolong Black needed to play <24...Qxe8> giving up Queen for rook & minor ***** |
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Mar-20-17
 | | Peligroso Patzer: Traditionalist that I am, my heart thrills at the return of the thematic obvious queen sacrifice in the puzzle to start the new week. (Just too many Mondays lately with problems featuring aberrant themes, i.e., anything other than a queen sac) |
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| Mar-20-17 | | YouRang: Monday 28.?
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For a brief moment, I noted that Rxf8 would be mate if only I could deflect the Q and N, but that seemed like a tall order. Then I noticed the white queen lurking on b3, and realized that it's really about deflecting the Rf8: <28.Qg8+(*) Rxg8(**)>
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(*) Surprising queen sac!
(**) Surprising that black kept playing!
<29.Rxg8#> |
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| Mar-20-17 | | The Kings Domain: Fun game. |
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| Mar-20-17 | | morfishine: <24...Qxe8> is obviously the only move I guess there was some unwritten code dictating that to give up one's own Queen for Rook + minor added up to resignation, but there's quite a lot play/struggle left after this move Of course, Black just acquiesced to self-suicide in any case ***** |
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| Mar-21-17 | | Abdel Irada: ∞
<Of course, Black just acquiesced to self-suicide in any case> Is there another kind of suicide? :-D
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Mar-21-17
 | | PawnSac: < morfishine: <24...Qxe8> is obviously the only move
I guess there was some unwritten code dictating that to give up one's own Queen for Rook + minor added up to resignation, but there's quite a lot play/struggle left after this move > Kasparov and i believe also Spassky have won games with such a sac, and some others but at the moment i can't remember who they were..
and of course they CHOSE to do so in more optimum positions, but.. I certainly would have played on a while at least with ..Qxe8 black simply overlooked the Qb3+ line and that the R was pinned or something like that. |
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| Mar-21-17 | | morfishine: <Abdel Irada...Is there another kind of suicide?> Yes, there is suicide by proxy, but that belongs over at <KR> lol
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Mar-21-17
| | PawnSac: < morfishine: > I was curious how Stockfish would eval the position after 24. Re8
Qd8xe8 25. Nxe8 Rxe8 so I let it run for a while; Here it is at 40 ply (yea of course it still loses, but an interesting solution nonetheless)... 40/71- 33:34:57 36,985,176k 306k -9.95
24. Re8 Qd8xe8 25. Nxe8 Rxe8 Qf3-g3 Nd7-e5 Rf1-e1 f5-f4 Qg3-h4 g7-g5 Qh4xg5+ Rc7-g7 Re1xe5 Rg7xg5 Re5xe8+ Kg8-f7 Re8xc8 h7-h6 Rc8xc6 h6-h5 Kg1-f2 Rg5-d5 Na5-b3 h5-h4 Rc6-h6 f4-f3 g2-g3 h4xg3+ h2xg3 Kf7-e7 Rh6xa6 Ke7-d7 g3-g4 Kd7-c7 Kf2xf3 Kc7-b7 Ra6-b6+ Kb7-c7 Rb6xb5 Rd5-d8 Rb5-b6 Rd8-a8 Nb3-a5 Ra8-f8+ Kf3-e4 Rf8-f2 a2-a4 Rf2-g2 Ke4-f5 Rg2-f2+ Kf5-e5 Rf2-g2 Rb6-g6 Rg2-a2 Rg6-g7+ Kc7-c8 |
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| Mar-21-17 | | Abdel Irada: ∞
<morfishine: <Abdel Irada...Is there another kind of suicide?> Yes, there is suicide by proxy, but that belongs over at <KR>> Suicide-by-proxy applies only when <Aunt Butterpawn> is involved. ∞ |
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