| Jan-21-15 | | haydn20: Ah--the mighty give-no-quarter chess superhero takes a coward's GM draw. Whoever would have thought it? Or is there perhaps some deep Oriental conspiracy here? Or Chinese agents have threatened the So family? Or the Goldfish mafia hinted darkly he would never again play in A tournaments unless he threw this one? Or, more likely there was a payoff by some Norwegian billionaire. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Rookiepawn: I think they are also involved in Kennedy's death, fake arrival to the moon and 9/11. And if you ask me about oil's price fall, these two know something about it, for sure. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Marmot PFL: This is the computer age. Once started down the path neither white nor black can vary the moves without risking defeat. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | haydn20: From Opening Ex,White can vary with 8. Bg2 and Black with 8...Nd7 or 9...b6, e.g., 10. Nf3 Be7 11. Ne5 Nf6. But the positions tend to become volatile, so that <Marmot PFL> is quite right: a short path to a draw or precipices on both sides. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Marmot PFL: For 22 moves they followed this example Vaisser vs Geller, 1982
So was playing so quickly he must have known it, like that Marshall game a few days ago. |
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Jan-21-15
 | | Sally Simpson: The Vaisser vs Geller 1982 game is in Informator 34, game number 471. We are quickly discovering Wes's chess library, he has a NIC from March last year and Informator 34! :) |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Nf8: <For 22 moves they followed this example Vaisser vs Geller, 1982> Wow, Geller shamelessly copied So's play like that 33 years in advance?! |
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Jan-21-15
 | | Penguincw: A short draw (just like Ivanchuk-Carlsen), but at least it was an interesting draw. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Thorsson: So clearly knew the game. What was frustrating was that none of the commentators appear to know how to use a database. |
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Jan-21-15
 | | AylerKupp: <Marmot PFL> Thanks for the link to Vaisser vs Geller, 1982. I wasn't familiar with that game. It's amazing how much preparation a level player must do in order to be able to compete at the highest level. And while watching the game the thought of 22...Ne7 like Vaisser played came to mind, although that also leads to a draw. I then thought of 22...Nh6 with the idea of getting the knight near White's king as quickly as possible. But according to Stockfish 5 this leads to an advantage for White ([+1.16], d=32) after 23.Qc7+ so it only works ([0.00]) if White takes the rook, 22...Nh6 23.Qxh8 because, as So pointed out in the post-game conference, White's queen must stay in the h2-b8 diagonal so 23.Qc7 fails to 23...Rc8 24.Qd6 Nf5 and Black's knight gets into the fight even more effectively. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | cro777: Wesley and Liren simply repeated one of the heavy forcing lines in the Exchange Variation of the Queen's Gambit Declined with 3...Be7. The pawn sacrifice 8.h4 is Botvinnik's invention (from 1967).
click for larger viewWhite continues to seize space even though Black hasn't retreated his bishop to g6 after 7.g4. The idea is to win maximum space on the kingside and hope to later develop pieces in a normal order (while having a space advantage). According to Wesley the point is that Black threatens ...h5. After waiting two years and a half Botvinnik finally got the opportunity to apply his idea at the Leiden Chess Tournament 1970 in the game against Spassky. 8.h4 is well met by 8...Nd7. Botvinnik vs Spassky, 1970 Nakamura plays this line with both colors. According to Botvinnik it is dangerous for Black to accept the sacrifice. But Geller found that Black could force a draw. 8...Bxh4 9. Qb3 g5 10. Be5 f6 11. Bh2
click for larger view11...Bxg4! Black sacrifices the rook (12.Qxb7 follows), but it leads to a forced draw. This idea was introduced by Geller in his game against Vaisser at the Chigorin Memorial in Sochi 1982. And thus the forced line was born. Efim Petrovich Geller was a world-class grandmaster at his peak. His great combination vision and original attacking style was combined with ability to penetrate deeper into the nuances of the position. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | Junbalansag: I am sure the So-Liren conspiracy has something to do with the Spartley controversy. China and the Philippines (with the support of the US) just wanted to keep the status quo to jointly exploit the oil in the china sea or west philippine sea. A draw symbolizes perfectly this stalemate :) |
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Jan-21-15
 | | JointheArmy: 22. Ne7 was a prettier way to draw.
More proof top players of the past were stronger than today's top players. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | SimonWebbsTiger: it would be intriguing to see what So had up his sleeve versus 10. Bh2! which has been considered (by Kasparov et al) as very good for white. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | cro777: So considered 10. Bh2 to be the main line and planned 10... Qb6. |
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| Jan-21-15 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<cro777>
ah, ok, thx! Didn't hear that part.
Kasparov gives the variation 10. Bh2 Qb6 (10...Bxg4? 11. Qxb7 Qe7 12. Qxa8 Qxe3 13. Be2 Qxf2 14. Kd2 1-0 Vaisser-Diaz, Havana 1985) 11. Nf3 Qxb3 12. axb3 Bxg4 13. Nxh4 gxh4 14. Bxb8 Rxb8 15. Rxa7. (source: On Modern Chess, Part Two, p.386.) |
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| Jan-22-15 | | cro777: <Wesley planned to meet 10.Bh2 with 10...Qb6> Vaisser had played this line as Black.
click for larger viewThe game Yudasin - Vaisser (Reti Memorial, Trnava 1983) continued 10. Bh2 Qb6 11. Nf3 Qxb3 12. axb3 Bxg4 13. Nxh4 gxh4 1/2-1/2 The CONVECTA Chess Openings Encyclopedia recommends
14. Bxb8 Rxb8 15. Rxa7 Ne7 16.Rxh4 ==
BTW, Anatoly Vaisser is the reigning Senior (65+) World Champion. |
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| Jan-23-15 | | kamagong24: <haydn20><: Ah--the mighty give-no-quarter chess superhero takes a coward's GM draw. Whoever would have thought it? Or is there perhaps some deep Oriental conspiracy here?> are you a 2700+ supergrandmaster??? or a CIA agent??? or both??? what supertournaments have you joined??? what are your credentials to say such things so boldly at this page??? have you played with either players??? |
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| Jan-23-15 | | Ulhumbrus: <haydn20: Ah--the mighty give-no-quarter chess superhero takes a coward's GM draw.> You call this drawish? |
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| May-25-24 | | morphynoman2: Exciting draw! |
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