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| Jun-08-14 | | Ulhumbrus: <SirRuthless: I suppose the resignation was a business decision given the length of the event and the hopelessness of the position but I think it also says something unpleasant about Caruana. He should have at least tried to fight. Kramnik would never have resigned that position. Neither would have Magnus.> Alternatively B H Wood's comment upon Najdorf's resignation of a game against Tal may apply : <A lesser player might have wanted to be shown. He sees it all> |
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| Jun-08-14 | | NeoIndian: Over the years, Kramnik has gathered a truly impressive record playing the White Side of KID. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | SirRuthless: Fab is not a KID player at heart. He is trying to add it to his Classical repertoire but it is not his nature to enter dubious positions and claw his way out. Gruenfeld is his stomping ground. Using an experimental system (for him) vs a former world champion in a critical round of the event is foolhardy at best. I won't call it the peak of arrogance but for a player who relies on great prep to a large extent, this was a completely avoidable debacle. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | capafischer1: On move 15 if caruana goes Rb8 doesn't he just win the exchange? What is he afraid of the 2 bishops? What is the follow up after 15 Rb8 for black?? |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: 8. Qd3, 9. 0-0
[First Kramnik avoided Grunfeld which is interesting as he used to play that many times and then he strirs the game away from theory.]11. ...Ne4
[Nice new move.]
12. Nd5
[and a nice response with exchange]
14. Be3!
click for larger view14. ...Bf6
[14. ...Rb8 15. Rxa1 Nc5 16. b4 b6 17. bxc5 bxc5 leads to equal game most likely though white is the one that decides where to take draw by repetition 18. Bh6 Rd8 19. Nd5 Re8 20 Rc7 or to try something more ambitious.] 19. f4!?
[19. Bb6 looks stronger.]
19. ...h5?!
[As if Caruana wanted to counter white play in the center with queenside attack?] 21. c5!
[Now white is slightly better as he takes control of d8 square cramping black pieces.] 26. ...Bb2?!
[26....Be6 27. Rd1 Bxb3 28. Rc1 Kg8 29. e5 Bg7 30 Bxe7 Re8 and it is hard to see how can white make any progress here. Caruana unnecessarily give a pawn away to simplify position.] In the sequel Kramnik is not capable of making a progress until 50. ...Ke8?
[Abandoning defense of g-pawn. 50. ...Kf8 and it is hard to see what exactly white can do other than draw. For example 51. Ke6 Rb6+ 52. Kd7 Rb5 53. Ke6 Rb6+ draws easily.] 51. Kf6! Rb6
52. Kg7
[This field would have been blocked had black kind occupied f8.] Black is in hopeless zugzwang 9no good moves, for example 53. ...Re6
54. Rxe3 Rxe4
54. Ra8 Ke7
55. Kxg6 Rg3
56. Rg8
click for larger viewelementary lost.
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Very simple game in which Caruana lost because of making unnecessary compromises and then a bad error in difficult rook ending. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | RedShield: Assuming you mean 14...Rb8, the problem is Bxa7. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: 14. ...Rb8
15. Bxa7 Bd4
16. Bxd4 Nc5
17. b4 b6
18. Ba7 Nxc7
19. Bxb8 Na6
20. Ba7 Nxb4
21. a4 Nc6
and there is some pressure but it is hard to see anything much than optical advantage. Black will bring Bd7 Ra8 and Kf8. Most likely draw. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | RedShield: I just meant that Black couldn't keep the exchange. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | DcGentle: <Very simple game in which Caruana lost because of making unnecessary compromises and then a bad error in difficult rook ending.> Hi <csmath>, did you see the line with <27. e5> I gave on page 6? In my opinion White should not have taken the e-pawn at move 27, but should have tried to get the better position by conquering Black's a-pawn. What do you think? |
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| Jun-08-14 | | devere: 50...Ke8?? was the losing move. On 50...Kf8 it's a draw. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: 27. e5 Rc8
28. Bxe7 Rc2+
29. Kg1 Bc1
I don't really know here. Engine is not convinced. There are a lot of different contituations. I would have grabbed the pawn the same way Kramnik did. |
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Jun-08-14
 | | Jimfromprovidence: 52...Rb3, below looks good for black.
click for larger viewIf 53 Kxg6, then 53...Kf8.
click for larger viewThe official site says that this is a draw, just +.94 for white. Seems legit; white has unconnected passed pawns with a rook anchored to the a file. Black's rook can roam the 3rd rank attacking either pawn or checking the king as needed. Black's king is in the right place. Hard to figure for sure what's what without the Lomonosov tablebase. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: That is not a draw.
54. e5
click for larger viewis a win for white although it is not exactly trivial. e-pawn goes on e7, white king to h5 and after g6 black cannot be saved. If rook takes on e7 then g7 is winning. If a2 then Rook takes a-pawn and builds a bridge on f-file. Black is lost either way. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: The final position is far from trivial and Caruana should have played it longer. But I am guessing he was disgusted with the error he made and was not in the mood to play any further. I can sympathize with that. |
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| Jun-08-14 | | Sally Simpson: Yes the lad should have played on until the win was crystal. You are never going to spin games around by resigning. No matter how furious you are with yourself inside you must compose yourself and switch into trick or bust mode. Mind you, if my life depended on White winning that ending I would choose Kramnick to play it for me. |
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Jun-08-14
| | Jimfromprovidence: The position is a draw. After 52...Kb3 53 Kxg6 Kf8 54 e5 54...Rf3 is one way to hold.
click for larger viewThis is one of those cases where there is simply nowhere for white to go. See http://live.norwaychess.com/ which provides the analysis for twenty ply, noted below. +.94 52...Rb3 53.Kxg6 Kf8 54.Kf5 Rf3+ 55.Kg4 Rb3 56.Kf4 Rh3 57.e5 Rh4+ 58.Kf5 Rh3 59.e6 Re3 60.Kf6 Rf3+ 61.Ke5 Re3+ 62.Kf5 |
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| Jun-08-14 | | SirRuthless: If Fabiano resigned in a technically drawn position then he will be really angry. I have a hard time believing that there isn't some way to make progress that the computers aren't seeing... Anyone have access to a 7 piece tablebase? |
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| Jun-08-14 | | csmath: It is not drawn, it is won by white. Some folks just do not know how to win it but that is their problem. :-) You can pretty much bet that Kramnik would have won it. |
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| Jun-09-14 | | devere: <csmath: The final position is far from trivial and Caruana should have played it longer. But I am guessing he was disgusted with the error he made and was not in the mood to play any further. I can sympathize with that.>
I think that you are correct, but that is a psychological weakness in Caruana. You can be sure that Lasker or Carlsen would have played it out to the end, and quite possibly gotten a draw. <You can pretty much bet that Kramnik would have won it.>
That assumes that Kramnik really knows how to win with King and Queen against King and Rook. In one famous game Svidler had to concede a draw to Gelfand in that ending.
Gelfand vs Svidler, 2001 |
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| Jun-09-14 | | RookFile: A wonderful game by Kramnik. The game has a deceptive appearance of simplicity that reminds one of Capa or Fischer. For example, I want to laugh out loud that a move such as 8. Qd3 can be successful at the highest level. |
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| Jun-09-14 | | NeoIndian: Just out of curiosity:
click for larger viewBlack to play: White mates in 28 moves.
1... Rg3 2. e6 Rg2 3. Rh7 Rg3 4. e7+ Ke8 5. Kf5 Rf3+ 6. Kg4 Rf2 7. g6 Rg2+ 8. Kf5 Rf2+ 9. Ke4 Re2+ 10. Kd3 Ra2 11. g7 Ra3+ 12. Kc4 Ra4+ 13. Kb5 Rg4 14. Rh8+ Kxe7 15. g8Q Rxg8 16. Rxg8 Kf6 17. Re8 Kg5 18. Rf8 Kg6 19. Kc6 Kg7 20. Rf5 Kg6 21. Re5 Kf7 22. Kd7 Kf6 23. Rd5 Kg7 24. Ke6 Kg6 25. Ke7 Kg7 26. Rd6 Kh8 27. Rg6 Kh7 28. Kf7 Kh8 29. Rh6# |
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| Jun-09-14 | | NeoIndian: I have been searching in some endgame tablebases, and after 52.Kg7, all 5 man tablebase positions that I can reach with (hopefully) optimal play (Black a3 pawn taken for one of White pawns) appear drawn. This is in first glance, and and I hope to follow up with some concrete lines. |
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Jun-10-14
 | | Richard Taylor: Kramnik's doing well he is redeeming himself somewhat from the Candidates where he was a bit out of form. Great play by Kramnik in this game.
Carauna looks lost here at the end. I think he would lose from here OTB, of course a computer will go on forever finding twists and turns but this is the real world... |
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Jun-11-14
 | | scormus: <offramp: In the 60s/70s Soviet GMs used to have a phrase: .....> Rather apposite here! I couldn't say if it was drawable for B but resignation did look premature. I wonder if Fabio should reconsider KID, you need the stomach for a fight if you choose it .... especially against someone like Kramnik. As my alter ego said: you don't give up in a street fight, if you do that you don't live. |
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| Jun-08-22 | | Raginmund: Kramnik is the best ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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