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| Aug-26-14 | | ColeTrane: <once> true dat |
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| Aug-26-14 | | belgradegambit: This game is like a mirror image of another Cheparinov brilliancy where he makes his opponent go on a very, very long walk J Ivanov vs I Cheparinov, 2004 |
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| Aug-26-14 | | paavoh: Yay, my pun was chosen! Thank you, CG! |
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| Aug-26-14 | | belgradegambit: Forget all the other moves, who among would have thought to play 14 Rg1. |
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| Aug-26-14 | | kevin86: The king traveled far into hostile territory, but white won the game. Unusual, but far from unique. |
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| Sep-28-15 | | The Kings Domain: Fun and exciting game. The opening novelty of white is refreshing and he got lucky as black had a scary kingside attack. Good play from both players. |
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| Mar-01-19 | | cliffordagoodman: Feel it!! |
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| Feb-09-24 | | mel gibson: I didn't know but - I didn't look for long.
This is one of the rare cases where Stockfish chooses the wrong ply.Stockfish 16 says:
28. Bf4
(28. Bf4 (1.Bf4 Qxe2 2.Rxd1 Qxd1 3.Rg1 Qf3 4.Qxf3 Nxf3 5.Rd1 Re8 6.Rd3 Ne1 7.Rd7 Nf3 8.Rxb7 a6 9.Rd7 c5 10.Ra7 Nd4
11.h4 Ne6 12.Bg5 Nd4 13.h5 Nc6 14.Rc7 Nxe5 ) +6.55/40 163) score for White +6.55 depth 40.
If I force SF to play the game ply:
28. Rg3 Qxe2
(28. .. Qxe2 (1. ... Qxe2 2.Kg5 Rf7 3.gxf7+ Kxf7 4.e6+ Qxe6 5.Qh5+ Kf8 6.Qxd1 Ke8 7.Qh5+ Kd7 8.Qg6 Qxg6+ 9.Kxg6
Nc2 10.Rb1 Nb4 11.a3 Nc2 12.Bf4 c5 13.h4 Kc6 14.h5 b6 ) -11.03/37 427) score for Black -11.03 depth 37. |
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Feb-09-24
 | | al wazir: My move was 28. g7.
If 28...Rf7 , then 29. e6 fxg4 30. exf7+ Kxf7 31. Qb3+. If 28...fxg4, then 29. gxf8=Q+ Kxf8 30. Qxg4, and white is a piece up. But after 29. Qb3 Rf7 30. Qxd1 (30. Ng3 is better), then 30...Qh4+ 31. Kg6 Qh7+ 32. Kg5 Nf3+ 33. Kxg4 Qh4#. |
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Feb-09-24
 | | chrisowen: Faith dress gack wicket Rg3 finish its about gloat do its duck buck we c i acrid mid ace ma gg its a cuff muff bug back was ia Rg3 bath |
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Feb-09-24
 | | FSR: This is chess from another planet. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | QueenMe: Why is move 32 Bf4 necessary? Is it more than just a lure to offer the rook while white clamps his mating pawn down at e6? What if Black didn't bite on the offer? My solution omitted move 32. Did I overlook something? |
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| Feb-09-24 | | Cellist: I also chose 28. g7. It fails dramatically. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | TheaN: Ah crap, I missed the easiest defense to my move. I saw most of the motives in this position: 1) White would like to play Qb3+ with mate, but the rook can interpose on d5. There's no practical way to prevent this. 2) Second idea is Kg5 with Qh7#, but Nf3+ is a problem. 3) If all material is traded White should be significantly better due to the active king (how bizarre that may be in a position like this). I opted for the suboptimal <28.Be3?!>. The idea was that the trade sequence should favor White: 28....Qf3 (fxg4 29.Bxf2 gxh3 30.Rxd1 Rxf2 31.Rd8+! Rf8 32.Rxf8+ Kxf8 33.Kh7 +-) 29.Qxf3 (again Rg3! is much better) Nxf3 30.Rxd1 fxg4 31.Rd7 +- and White is superior in the endgame: for what it's worth this is +10, not +1 or 2. However, if Black plays the simple <28....Qxe2>, White will still have to find <29.Rg3! +-> to keep the advantage: 29....e6 30.Rxd1 Qxd1 31.Qh4 +- is much more complicated than it should have been. Close, but no cigar. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | TheaN: <al wazir: My move was 28. g7. (...)
If 28...fxg4, then 29. gxf8=Q+ Kxf8 30. Qxg4, and white is a piece up.> 29....Qxf8+ -+ and White has one... issue. Mainly a queen on h3. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | 1300patzer: Hi mel_gibson. So Stockfish then is claiming that the solution move loses? The Rg3 lines diverge at White's move 31, where the solution has Qxf5+, but Stockfish wants e6+. How does Stockfish have Black escaping after 31 Qxf5? |
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| Feb-09-24 | | 1300patzer: Maybe I misunderstand "score for white +" and "score for black -". |
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| Feb-09-24 | | vajeer: King's attacking value is 4, sure white didn't miss the rook on a1 :-) |
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| Feb-09-24 | | Cecco: <1300patzer>: they both mean that white wins. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | mel gibson: < 1300patzer: Maybe I misunderstand "score for white +" and "score for black -".> score for Black -11.03 depth 37
means
28. Rg3 Qxe2
and Black loses badly with a bad score. |
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Feb-09-24
 | | GoldenKnight: <<QueenMe:> Why is move 32 Bf4 necessary? Is it more than just a lure to offer the rook while white clamps his mating pawn down at e6? What if Black didn't bite on the offer? My solution omitted move 32. Did I overlook something?> It prepares the way for the Queen, after e6, to check at f7 then mate at f8. Maybe 32. ... Rd5 would be best to prevent 33. e6 and avoid an exchange of rooks. But then 33. Rxe1! should begin to wrap things up as after 33. ... Qxe1 (forced) White can play 34. Kh6 without fear of check on h2. He will be able to continue the King hunt with a piece up. |
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Feb-09-24
| | GoldenKnight: I originally had 28. Rf4 with the same idea of preparing for 29. Kg5, but this allows 28. ... Qg2, so 28. Rg3 is better. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | TheaN: <1300patzer: Maybe I misunderstand "score for white +" and "score for black -".> Perhaps a bit more elaboration; interestingly there's no written rule whether to present the evaluation as a scale, or from the perspective of the color to move. The former is significantly more common however. I prefer that, as a back and forth scale is exactly what this game is and makes computer analysis instantly clear. In that case + is a White advantage, - is a Black advantage. This was agreed upon because of the starting move advantage, a White advantage is considered 'positive', and Black 'negative' because a shift has occurred (before we get racism into this discussion, which sadly does happen with people that have no idea how this works). <mel gibson>, however, always posts analysis from the color to move, so the first line it's White to move at the puzzle start, move 28: Bf4 is +7 for White. In the second line it's Black to move after 28.Rg3: 28....Qe2 is -11 for Black, so +11 for White. |
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| Feb-09-24 | | TheaN: On that note, <mel gibson> perhaps consider posting analysis as a scale as described above (and used by SF on CG, Lichess and Chess.com). I don't know which program you use, but it should be the setting 'evaluating from side to move' or something like that. |
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| Feb-10-24 | | mel gibson: < TheaN: On that note, <mel gibson> perhaps consider posting analysis as a scale as described above> I post it as the Arena interface shows it
when saved as a text document.
To make it clear, I say if it's a score for White or Black. It's perfectly clear to me and I think
it's better than the so called standards you have pointed out. |
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