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| May-03-22 | | optimal play: <AlicesKnight: ... an intriguing game with Newman finding ways to blunt Steinitz's K-side initiative> Yes, in all his moves most wonderful, most sure in all his ways. Steinitz seemed to be so focused on his K-side attack he neglected his Q-side. And the final tactical assault is indeed a nice finish. Don't know how early Newman saw it but it caught Steinitz out. |
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| May-03-22 | | goodevans: <FSR: [...] Would <Paul Newman> would have been equally "good"?> I think <Randy Newman> would have been best. |
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May-03-22
 | | MissScarlett: Here's a player certainly inspired by the Cardinal: Newman Clissold |
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May-03-22
| | MissScarlett: <Entertainingly, like almost every other game published at cg.com, there is no source tag.> All that's required is, say, another thousand volunteer editors and that situation could be readily rectified. But let's count our blessings. How many databases even have this game, let alone such a level of correctitude? <365chess> professes complete ignorance, whilst <chesstempo> correctly identifies the date and location as <Philadelphia, 1882> but thinks the opponent was <Kyle Newman>. |
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May-03-22
 | | Teyss: <saffuna> <FSR> Thanks for the historical reminders, had forgotten about these great Dubya achievements. <MissScarlett: It's just that some have greater room for improvement.> That excludes you of course. To your credit I must admit you have a skin thicker that the FED's vault. Now the game: fantastic again. You need some guts to push your Qside Pawns while the unofficial world champion is launching a fierce attack against your King, even in simul. 36...b2! and the following combination is worthy of the hall of fame. |
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| May-03-22 | | Z free or die: <<Missy> <365chess> professes complete ignorance, whilst <chesstempo> correctly identifies the date and location as <Philadelphia, 1882> but thinks the opponent was <Kyle Newman>.> What's this?! <MIssy> is looking at other DB's? Progress.
(And here I thought <CG> was the finem omnia et omnia) |
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May-03-22
 | | Sally Simpson: < like almost every other game published at cg.com, there is no source tag....Appalling.> The good news is the game is now sourced.
[Source "chessgames.com."]
The Pun:
Both pair were of Bishops off the board by move 24 in a 54 move game....Cardinal? |
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May-03-22
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Geoff>
Well said, and this hadn't occurred to me at all: <The good news is the game is now sourced.
[Source "chessgames.com."]>
Not an optimal state of affairs, but not worse than the many hundreds of games I have uploaded over the years here with such source tags as: <chessbase>
<365Chess>
<ozbase>
<britbase>
<rusbase>.
I wonder if
<Zbase> or <ScarlettBase> will eventually set an improved "database source" brand? |
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May-03-22
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Jessie,
And any future researcher will know that most of the stuff with a chessgames.com tag will have been examined, questioned and passed muster. In most cases they can follow the thread and see the reasoning and research that went into the proof. A lot of games here that looked odd or out of place have been looked at and in quite a few cases corrected. |
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May-03-22
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Geoff> well we are lucky to have you here as an active member eh. |
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May-03-22
| | MissScarlett: <The winner of the game is named <Newman>, so using the name of some 19th-century cardinal/theologian with that surname constitutes a pun? Would <Paul Newman> would have been equally "good"?> Of course not, because <cardinal>, unlike <Paul>, also means <of great importance>. The original publication of this game calls it a 'masterpiece': http://www.chessarch.com/excavation... |
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May-03-22
 | | saffuna: And really <missscarlett>, that was the best of hundreds, or thousands, of submissions? You selected your own, again, because you thought it was the best? |
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May-03-22
| | MissScarlett: My role is not to pick the best submissions, but the better ones. The aim is a consistently good level rather than periods of feast and famine. |
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May-03-22
| | MissScarlett: I modestly restrict myself to one a week.
But I invite interested parties to pull back the curtain and see for themselves what's on offer: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/sho...
Anyone who feels that I've missed or neglected some hidden gem, whether their own or not, is welcome to drop a suggestion in my forum. There may be puns or games that I don't properly understand or appreciate. There may be creditable puns in search of a better game, and vice versa. There may be submissions that I've already earmarked for future use. There may be puns rejected simply because they've been used before, or the proposed games already have a pun attached. |
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| May-04-22 | | areknames: After 54...Nxc4 one can almost picture Steinitz/Seinfeld inwardly going "Newman!" through clenched teeth before gracefully resigning. |
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May-04-22
 | | FSR: Each of the 188 puns of mine that chessgames has used is superior to <Cardinal Newman>. Game Collection: Puns I submitted. So is each of the 284 puns of mine that chessgames hasn't used as yet. |
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May-04-22
| | Sally Simpson: Hi Jessica,
No, I am but an insignificant crewman onboard the ship that is the S.S Chessgames as it sails the seven seas of the chessboard discovering new lands and confirming the exact position (longitude and latitude) of others. I spend most of my time on deck admiring my suntan. |
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May-04-22
| | MissScarlett: <Each of the 188 puns of mine that chessgames has used is superior to <Cardinal Newman>.> Are you suggesting they be recycled? And yet despite this illustrious history, you appear to consider yourself ill-used or neglected. <So is each of the 284 puns of mine that chessgames hasn't used as yet.> As they say in the financial adverts, past performance is no guarantee of future results. |
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May-04-22
| | saffuna: I certainly would prefer that the person selecting the puns has some general cultural knowledge. For example, of Greek mythology. |
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May-04-22
| | Sally Simpson: I agree Saffuna.
Nothing riles me more than a poorly researched pun, especially if an opportunity to slip in any reference to Classical Mythology has been ignored. (in this case I am full of 'Lyssa' the goddess of mad rage, frenzy, and rabies in animals.) Here you can buy a 'A Genealogical Chart of Greek Mythology by Harold Newman.' <Newman> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Genealogic... A poor show by the pun setter in my opinion, the Greek Mythology connection was there yet it has been skipped (ignorance of such matters due to a misspent childhood is not an excuse.) |
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May-04-22
 | | perfidious: <Teyss: <saffuna> <FSR> Thanks for the historical reminders, had forgotten about these great Dubya achievements....> Oh, yes; Miers' nomination was a classic.
<....Now the game: fantastic again....> Terrific scrap indeed, contested on a knife edge. |
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| May-04-22 | | Z free or die: <<JFQ> -- <Zbase> or <ScarlettBase> will eventually set an improved "database source" brand?> Well, <MissyBase> is still a hypothetical, but <Zbase> has been a leader in the field for years already. |
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| May-04-22 | | Z free or die: <<FSR> Each of the 188 puns of mine that chessgames has used is superior to <Cardinal Newman>. > Have to say I chuckled out loud at this point. |
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May-04-22
| | perfidious: <zed....<Zbase> has been a leader in the field for years already.> roflmao |
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| May-05-22 | | Z free or die: <perf> ha! |
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