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Shredder (Computer) vs Gull (Computer)
"UnBb3vable!" (game of the day Oct-18-2015)
nTCEC - Stage 2b (2013), http://www.tcec-chess.net, rd 14, Mar-25
Slav Defense: Steiner Variation (D16)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Apr-20-13
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  Phony Benoni: I'm pretty sure of one thing. This won't be one of those games where White misses the right line.
Apr-20-13  BKITU: Desperado... why don't you come to your senses?
Apr-20-13  rickster13: nice easier than i thought
Apr-20-13  iking: wicked drawing move by white
Apr-20-13  SuperPatzer77: Amazing sacrifices by Shredder!!! Bravo!!!

Truly awesome draw!!!

SuperPatzer77

Apr-20-13
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  FSR: Glorious! It was pretty obvious that White had no win and was begging for a draw. I tried 46.Qg1 Qc2+ 47.Ka1 Qxc4 48.Qh2+ Ka8, but saw no perpetual. I had quickly rejected the idea of stalemate. That could never happen: White has a queen, rook, bishop, king, and pawn that have moves! This might well be the greatest stalemating combination of all time! It's certainly the best I've ever seen.
Apr-20-13
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  offramp: Very good! But as far as I know computers don't actually sacrifice; they just play the best move they can calculate.
Apr-20-13
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  FSR: Analysis here: http://www.tcec-chess.net/viewtopic....
Apr-20-13  vinidivici: This suits for midweek or yesterday at least. White position is hard, so it must be something different. I saw the score and thought of major pieces sacrifice lines but doesnt come up to the mark, so i tried the minor sacrifice, and got it.
Apr-20-13  mike1: yes, very nice draw... but what happens after 46.. Qb5? Black is about to mate with Qf1+ and still can pick up the bishop.
Apr-20-13  dumbgai: Black can't take with the queen either, as he even loses after 46...Qxb3?? 47. Re8+ Kc7 (other moves get him mated) 48. Rc8+ Kd6 49. Rd8+ and I think the black king eventually gets hunted down after both Ke5 and Ke7. Sorry I don't have all the lines as I don't have my engine with me.
Apr-20-13  morfishine: <FSR> Ditto and nice link!

<mike1> Probably because of <46.Bb3 Qb5 47.Bc4 Qc6 48.Qh5> and Black is forced to surrender the Queen due to the twin threats against e8 & h8

Apr-20-13  xthred: So 46.Qe4 doesn't work? Threatening Qb7#.
Apr-20-13
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  FSR: <xthred> 46.Qe4? Qd1#
Apr-20-13
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  FSR: I have a blog post about this game at http://chicagochess.blogspot.com/20....
Apr-20-13  mistreaver: Saturday. White to play. Very difficult. 46.?
Black is threatening mate in one. But black's king is also very loose. At first i wanted to play brilliantly and went for
46 Rb7+ Kxb7
47 Qd7+, noticing in the last moment that black queen is guarding that square, but even if she wasn't, white wouldn't have more then perpetual check. Then i noticed other idea:
46 Bb3
the idea is to divert one of the black pieces, for instance: A) 46...Qxb3
47 Re8+ Kc7 (Kb7 48 Qd7+ Ka6 49 Ra8 is mate)
48 Qc8+ Kd6
49 Rd8+ Ke5
50 Qc7+ Kf5
51 Rf8+ Kg6 (or Ke6 52 Qd7)
52 Qf7
B)Now i just have to verify whether that works if knight takes as well: 46...Nxb3 (seems better, threatening mate and guarding against invasion withe the queen) And i can't see how can white do anythign here.
Now i went back to the rook sacrifice:
46 Rb7+ Kxb7
47 Qe4+ and now black has various choices:
A) 47...Ndc6
48 Qh7+ Kb8
49 Qg8+ Kc7
50 Qf7+ and i think white has perpetual
B) 47... Kb8
48 Qe5+ and i think white will have enough checks here. Time to check and see how it really went.
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Wow, it really is Bb3 after all. I completely missed the fact that white king is stalemated there. And in my last line, covering with the queen, Qc6, puts an end to white's checks and wins for black. (altough black can win in many ways, even with Nc6 Qh7+ Ka8 Qh8+ Nb8). Really a beautiful combination, and it is amazing that my Fritz saw it almost instantly.
Apr-20-13
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  FSR: <mistreaver: ... Really a beautiful combination, and it is amazing that my Fritz saw it almost instantly.>

Ditto for Houdini 3. It showed a number like -10.51 for literally a second, then immediately switched to 0.00. It's just ridiculous how fast it is.

Apr-20-13  Conrad93: I wasn't fighting for a draw...
Apr-20-13  newzild: I managed to get this by a process of elimination - all king and pawn moves lose instantly and Bb3 is the only bishop move that doesn't lose instantly.
Apr-20-13  Conrad93: Well, if someone had told me "white to play and draw", I would have got it.
Apr-20-13  agb2002: White has a rook and a bishop for two knights and three pawns. Black threatens 46... Qd1# and 46... Qc2+ 47.Ka1 Qc1#.

White doesn't have time to attack the black king. Therefore, the only posibility to save the game is to force stalemate or perpetual with 46.Bb3:

A) 46... Qxb3 47.Re8+ Kc7 (47... Ka(b)7 48.Qd7+ Ka6 49.Ra8#) 48.Rc8+ Kd6 (48... Kb7 49.Qd7+ Ka6 50.Ra8#) 49.Rd8+

A.1) 49... Kc6(7) 50.Qd7#.

A.2) 49... Ke5 50.Qe4+ Kf6 51.Rf8+ Qf7 (51... Kg7 52.Qe7+ Kg(h)6 53.Rf6+ Kh6 54.Qh7#) 52.Rxf7+, etc.

A.3) 49... Ke7 50.Qd7+ (50.Qxg5+ is probably better) 50... Kf6 51.Rf8+ Ke5 (51... Kg6 52.Qe8+ Kh6(7) (52... Kg7 53.Qe7+ as above) 53.Rh8+ Kg7 54.Qf8+ Kg6 55.Rh6#) 52.Qg7+ and white seems to have perpetual at least.

B) 46... Nxb3 (one piece less and the white king can't move) 47.Qf4+ gxf4 (47... Ka8 48.Qf8#; 47... Kc8 48.Qc7#) 48.Rb7+ Kc8 49.Rc7+ Kd8 50.Rd7+, perpetual (50... Qxd7 stalemate).

C) 46... Qb5 47.Bc4 Qc6 (47... Qa4 48.Bb3 repeats moves) 48.Qxg5 looks dangerous for Black. For example 48... Qc8 49.Qe5+ Ka8 50.Re8, etc.

Apr-20-13  cyclon: I feel this to be more like a problem-kind of puzzle. My move today is: 46. Bb3 . (This move implies that there's no winning line for White, but he's playing to save the game which "he" seems to do by this 'problem-like' - move. Now, in the diagram position Black's threat is a direct 46. -Qd1X. To confront this White could play 46. f4, in which case Black can take a draw by 46. -Qc2+, or perhaps play more ambitious 46. -Qc6 aiming 47. -Qh1+. Same concerns 46. Qg1 [intending 47. Qh2+ as well as covering d1] 46. -Qc2+ draw, but NOT 46.Re1? Nbc2. After 46. f4 Ndc2 47. Kc1 is risky for Black.) So, my two main continuations are:

( After 46. Bb3 ) 46. -Qxb3 ( this is actually my secondary line though presented first - last will be the best. NOTE that if Black plays 46. -Qb5 [intending 47. -Qf1+] then White moves 47. Bc4. If 46. -Qc6, then White can play 47. Qxg5 because for the one fleeting moment there's pawn in f3. ) 47. Re8+ ( this move is possible now because Black Queen is off from the e8-a4 diagonal. ) 48. -Kc7 ( the only move ) 49. Rc8+ ( only so, 49. Qc8+? is a mistake ) 49. -Kd6 50. Rd8+ and it's either a draw OR Black loses. ) And my 'MAIN' line ( as an 'idea' ) in today's puzzle is;

( After 46. Bb3 ) 46. -Nxb3 47. Qf4+ ( 47. Re8+?? 48. -Qxe8 49. Qf4+ Kc8 Black wins ) 47. -gxf4 ( forced, otherwise Black loses ) 48. Rb7+ d-r-a-w-s. The only problem left after managing to save such a hopeless-looking position, is that computers do not use cufflinks.

Apr-20-13  goodevans: After a couple of midweek failures it's nice to get a weekend puzzle quite quickly...

Black threatens mate with either <46...Qd1#> or <46...Qc2+ 47.Ka1 Qc1#>. The available checks clearly don't work for white and <46.Qg1> loses to <46...Qc2+ 47.Ka1 Qxc4>,so what else can he do?

<46.Qxg5> looks like it might save the day by defending c1 and threatening Qg8+, but no, black now has <46...Qc2+ 47.Ka1 Qd1+ 48.Qc1 Qxc1#>.

By a process of elimination we arrive at the only move that stops both of the threatened mates, <46.Bb3>. Now all we have to do is check that it works. Simples!

Apr-20-13  Abdel Irada: <<•> ...Not to be shredded by a gull <•>>

If computers enjoy one perfection, it is their pragmatism. With the ego-free clarity of the automaton, Shredder calculated that it could not, barring an extremely improbable blunder, win this game. But it did find a way not to lose, and in the process produced a piece of art.

It is meant as no disparagement when I say that this puzzle more resembles a composition by Sam Loyd than a practical endgame.

Sometimes, it seems, the laws and rigors of necessity are the most artistic of craftsmen.

White begins with a move that may be an example of interference. Or enticement. Or deflection. Or mere binary diabolism.

<<•> 46. Bb3! ... >

This is the prettiest move I've seen in some time. At a stroke it (momentarily) freezes all of Black's nasty threats, invites Black into error, and at worst forces a draw.

Black can do one of three things:

(1) Take the bishop with its queen.

(2) Take the bishop with its knight.

(3) Retreat the queen (to b5 or c6).

Let's consider them in order.

< (1) 46. ...Qxb3 >

Black has opened itself to attack. By relinquishing control of e8, it offers White the latter's only *winning* possibilities.

< 47. Re8†, Kc7 >

Losing are (a) 47. ...Ka7? 48. Qd7†, Ka6 49. Ra8# and (b) 47. ...Kb7? 48. Qc8†, Ka7 49. Re7#.

Here I spent much time analyzing continuations for White, and eventually decided on pragmatism. Neither 48. Qc8† nor 48. Rc8† appears to force a win, so we will settle for not losing.

< 48. Re7†, Kb8 = >

Black will lose if it tries to win: (c) 48. ...Kd8/c6/d6? 49. Qd7#. It must therefore accept this draw by <perpetual check>.

More remarkable is the way the game ends in our second line.

< (2) 46. ...Nxb3
47. Qf4†!, gxf4 >

This is forced, for allowing 48. Qf8† would be deadly. But now, after

< 48. Rb7†! = >,

we have a <wild rook> draw. White's rook will simply continue shuttling across the seventh rank, giving check, and if ever Black should take the rook (with king or queen), White will be <stalemated>.

< (3) 46. ...Qb5 >

Here Black declines the bishop but keeps his threats alive, but White has a surprise rejoinder.

< 47. Bc4! = >

And now we have yet another sort of draw: <repetition>. Black has nothing better to do than return the queen to a4, whereupon White will return the bishop to b3.

You may have noticed I haven't yet discussed what happens if Black retreats the queen to a "safe" square.

Safety, however, can be illusory, as seen in (d) 46. ...Qc6? 47. Qxg5 . The queen is safe, but it is also not threatening anything, and now White's threats on the back rank are far more immediate than Black's counterplay.

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The collective term for seagulls, incidentally, is a "squabble." Anyone who's ever watched them converging on food being thrown up for grabs will know exactly why. And when they get hold of a piece of raw meat, the demolition of the latter under their beaks during the ensuing feeding frenzy would give pause to a school of piranhas.

You may imagine why Shredder spun magic here to deliver itself from a like fate.

Apr-20-13  cyclon: There was a mistake in my sub-suggestion as for one of White's possible starting moves, which for me was definitely 46. Bb3 from the beginning of my comment. I proposed 46. Qg1 as a move that also draws, but at a closer look it obviously looses for White after 46. -Qc2+ 47. Ka1 Qxc4 ( instead of 47. -Qa4+?, White can capture the Bishop here safely ) 48. Qb8+ ( or 48. Qc7+ similarly ) 48. -Ka6 49. Qc8+ Kb5 50. Qd7+ Ndc6 and Black wins. H2-b8 is a wrong diagonal for White Queen instead of h3-c8, where it already is. It was bothering me after wards whilst walking into the food-store, that something was not quite right in my comment and it had something to do with the move 46.Qg1? I was careless here maybe because I'd already found a saving line for White. I didn't check it properly till the end.
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