Jun-01-17 | | zanzibar: <CG> could do a lot better on this match. Was this R2?
R4 (1900.10.10) was also a Scotch, 61 moves long, same result. |
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Jun-01-17 | | zanzibar: BDE Sat 1900.10.13 p17 reports Marshall winning the best-of-7 match as White in a 24-move French the night before Marshall 3 Roething 0 Draws 2
(It's unlikely they played the remaining two games, but I don't know for sure) |
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Jun-01-17 | | zanzibar: My speculation above is wrong - they indeed did finish the series, each winning one game apiece of the final two. |
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Jan-25-21 | | kloro2006: why does white allow black to take his Queen and thus prevent white from castling? |
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Jan-27-21
 | | MissScarlett: <Was this R2?
R4 (1900.10.10) was also a Scotch, 61 moves long, same result.> O Roething vs Marshall, 1900 (kibitz #1) Strange to relate, this is game 4. The score which appears in the <BDE>, October 11th, p.16, shows a number of repetitions which have been removed from the 55-move version: <31...Nf4 32.Kg3 Nh5+ 33.Kh2 Nf4 34.Kg3 Nh5+ 35.Kh2> and <40...Nh3+ 41.Kh1 Nf2+ 42.Kg1>. I assume this game appears in Hilbert's <Young Marshall>, so that could be checked to see which version is given. |
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Jan-27-21
 | | nizmo11: Hilbert's <Young Marshall>, (game 155) has the same 61 move version as here.
The game is annotated with the source given as:
"R. Teichmann's annotations from British Chess Magazine, Dec. 1900, pp. 492-494" |
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Jan-27-21
 | | MissScarlett: Does Hilbert have game 7 of the match, Roething's only win? I haven't found that yet. |
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Jan-27-21
 | | nizmo11: <MissScarlett>: the book has only games 2,4,5,6. But for a Roething win,
it has Roething-Marshall (1-0) from NYSCA Thousand Islands tournament, July 1900. |
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Jan-27-21
 | | nizmo11: Going back to match, I now see that in <Young Marshall> (p. 114) Hilbert writes:
"Marshall won the sixth game as well, [...] a curiosity that followed the fourth game until thirty-first move."
But this must be an error: the game score for game 6 (game 157, pp. 254-255) is
4 moves shorter version of the game 4 (game 155 in the book): 31... Rd5 32. Bg6 Rd2+ 33. Kg1 Nf4 34. Bxe8 Nxh3+ etc.
The source in <Young Marshall>: <Hoffer's annotations, The Field, Nov 17,1900>
So if Teichmann and Hofffer annotated the same game with a minor difference in move order, was that game 4? |
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Jan-28-21
 | | MissScarlett: Evidently. This is game 6: O Roething vs Marshall, 1900 Very surprised that Hilbert didn't pick up on this. Note that the <Field> doesn't specify this as the sixth game. It's possible that Hoffer inherited the shortened score, but more likely he tidied it up himself. His final note: <But for the flaw in the opening [3...d5], which, after all, might have been played designedly by Marshall to get his opponent "out of the books," it would be one of the finest games on record.> |
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