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Oct-24-10 | | Eyal: <without any obvious mistakes black is soundly trounced nonetheless> It’s not easy to pinpoint specific moves by Topalov as <the> decisive mistake(s), but apparently he made a whole series of mediocre-to-bad moves which caused his position to keep deteriorating. And his sense of timing seems to be off – he keeps making "correct" moves to late. 16…Qc8 doesn’t seem to do much. Then, instead of 17…Bf8, which allows White to gain the bishop pair advantage, 17…Na5 might have been better (with 18.Ba2 Nc4 or 18.Bc2 g6! defending the f5 square, since there’s no more Nxg6 and 19.Bxh6 loses a piece to …Ng4); when he does play 18…Na5 a move later, he doesn’t follow it with the natural continuation of 20…c5, which would have made f4 plans less attractive; and when …c5 finally comes, on move 24, the game already seems to be lost. Once 21.f4 is played, 21…Bg4 is pseudo-active – it actually drives the white queen to a better position, setting the battery on the b1-h7 diagonal, and is driven back a few moves later; and 22…exf4 also seems just to help White’s plans. |
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Oct-24-10 | | Bobwhoosta: <Eyal>
I don't know what was the better move in this position, however Bf8 to me was a strategic blunder that computers will not be able to see for many moves. I think after all of the analysis it will be pinpointed as either the losing move, or the move that made his position VERY difficult to defend. Nh4-g6xf8 is just too good, and CANNOT be allowed. |
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Oct-24-10 | | AuN1: the beginning of the end for topalov. at this rate he is going to get his face kicked in by a mediocre kamsky. he'd better start turning it around in the second half, or he may turn into leko o_o |
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Oct-24-10 | | Hesam7: <AuN1: the beginning of the end for topalov. at this rate he is going to get his face kicked in by a mediocre kamsky. he'd better start turning it around in the second half, or he may turn into leko o_o> I doubt that. He is known for comebacks in the second half of the tournament. |
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Oct-24-10 | | crazybird: < AuN1: at this rate he is going to get his face kicked in by a mediocre kamsky> Pretty ignorant to call the great Gata Kamsky, mediocre. |
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Oct-24-10 | | AuN1: he's known for a lot of things, but not from what i have seen at the olympiad or early here in the first half. he hasn't shown the confidence or the vigor we've come to expect from him. he is playing a very meek, timid style. |
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Oct-24-10 | | Akavall: I liked how Carlsen's knight had to travel f3-h4-g6 just to capture that bishop. |
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Oct-24-10 | | peruviancowboy: Hello from north Texas...why in the world Carlsen can beat Topalov and lose against Jovaba?
Kasparov said he is not working with Magnus anymore....this "kid" needs someone who advise him ....If he wants to be number one for the next 20 years (like Kasparov himself)..he needs to work..to sacrifice...not being in cloths shows !!!
Rafael Llanos (peruviancowboy) |
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Oct-24-10 | | Bobwhoosta: <peruviancowboy>
In the Olympiad Carlsen was out of form. The players he faced were playing above form, and refuted his ideas extremely precisely. Combined, the two produced quite a bad result. We see Carlsen coming back into form at the beginning of the Bilbao tournament, and in full swing at the beginning of this tournament. So they are the same Carlsen, just at different times and different levels of preparedness. Now, I personally like the fact that Carlsen doesn't just spend everything on chess. There have been many successful players who did this, and whether he becomes World Champion or not, he is proving to himself what his work ethic can produce. And he is proving it to us as well!!! |
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Oct-24-10 | | woodthrush: Topa wasted two moves with the queen rook, first with 8... Rb8 and then back with 12... Ra8, just to exchange it on its original square. He could have developed 8... Bd7 instead, and used the two moves elsewhere. That is alot of wasted time! |
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Oct-24-10 | | parisattack: I hopped aboard the Topalov bandwagon in 2001. I saw hints of Fischer in him - the strong desire to win, the ability to use tactical means to push positional ends. I stuck with him through the Toiletgate fiasco. But I got off after the Anand match. I just haven't seen any improvement in his play or - more critically - the ability to address his weaknesses. I don't doubt he's in a slump right now and will win more tournaments - but his window of opportunity to be a real WC has closed, IMHO. For an exciting player likely to continue to improve I am putting my chips on Mamadyerov. |
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Oct-24-10 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <peruviancowboy: Hello from north Texas...why in the world Carlsen can beat Topalov and lose against Jovaba?> Well you know, it's just like any sporting contest. Jobava or any GM for that matter has a chance against any human player in any given game. Nobody, including guys like Fischer and Kasparov can completely eliminate mistakes from their chess. And if the errors are serious enough, a 2500+ player is strong enough to force the win. A match is a different story. |
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Oct-24-10
 | | chancho: Magnus has Topa's number since the latter lost this game three and a half years ago.
In the post mortem, young Magnus gave him a lesson free of charge on how he could have drawn: Carlsen vs Topalov, 2007 |
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Oct-25-10 | | Hesam7: <woodthrush: Topa wasted two moves with the queen rook, first with 8... Rb8 and then back with 12... Ra8> And then the same happened with the king rook! |
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Oct-25-10 | | jmboutiere: 22...ef could be a bad move, Qb8 seems better; the pawn on a5 shoud be defended and the white squares also; 26...Qa6 seems better than Qd8, but is hard to imagine that this game is over in 5 moves.
Kasparov was right, Carlsen deals in a very interesting manner with compex positions |
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Oct-25-10
 | | kingscrusher: I have video annotated this game in two parts:
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCQu...
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox6i... |
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Oct-25-10 | | woodthrush: It takes two to make a brilliancy, one to plan well and see deep, the other to not plan as well nor see as deep. Many draws are brilliancies on the part of both players. |
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Oct-25-10 | | zarg: <kingscrusher>
Great video! Queen sack was a trademark of the young Carlsen too. |
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Oct-25-10 | | onur87: how many are there theory moves? |
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Oct-25-10 | | Eyal: <how many are there theory moves?> According to the databases I've checked, the first new move is <12.c3> - there are 2 previous games that reached the position after 11...Bd7 (by a different move order), where White played 12.Nf1. Of course, there's nothing extraordinary about c3, the position reached after 11...Bd7 is just rare - after 9...axb5, White usually develops the knight to c3 (as Carlsen himself did in Carlsen vs Aronian, 2007). With <6.d3> Carlsen already took the game out of the "absolute" main line of the Ruy (6.Re1), a good idea since it probably took Topalov out of most of his prep and stirred the game into a type of position which Carlsen plays better than him. |
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Oct-25-10 | | onur87: <eyal> thank you very much for informations. Only 21 alive moves! Good demonstration! |
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Oct-25-10 | | Chess Network: I just posted a video of this game on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Sm... |
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Nov-02-10 | | bezzazz: 29. d5 automatically wins material or not? |
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Nov-02-10 | | peabody88: <bezzazz: 29. d5 automatically wins material or not?> No, 29... Ne5 attacking the Queen gives time for a Bishop retreat. |
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Nov-25-10 | | PokerPro: why Kh2?? |
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