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| Dec-11-09 | | ycbaywtb: what's worse? drawing and going home to stew on it, or drawing and having to face your teacher, possibly the greatest to have ever played? sometimes it may not be great to be Magnus
although i suspect Garry is respectful in his teaching, after all Carlsen just turned 19 |
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| Dec-11-09 | | Libispusher: One has to give David some credit for the save. "Tenacious D" giving his opponent two free knight moves starting on the 35th (although he was probably on "D for desperation" mode at that point). He seems to have a propensity at spending a good chunk of his time way before the controls. Reminded me of his game at the world juniors:
Li Chao vs D Howell, 2008 |
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Dec-11-09
 | | FSR: Unbelievable that Carlsen blew this win. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | FHBradley: It's not unbelievable at all. Even the strongest of the strong blunder at times, a phenomenon that is known outside the chessboard, too. I would be inclined to say it's human. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | edbermac: Carlsen stated he made a mistake with 52...Rd7.
I was following this yesterday and he had about 30 minutes on his clock at that point. Unbelievable that he missed 52...Ra2+ 53. Kg3 Rg1+ 54. Kf4 Rf2+ 55. Kxe4 Rxg4+ 56. Kd5 Rxf5+ 57. Ke6 Re5+ 58. Kxf6 Rxe3 which is no-brainer win for him. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | vonKrolock: To win a whole piece with a series of checks and forced answers... Well, chess players are just human when they are not looking at Rybka, Junior or Fritz lines |
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| Dec-11-09 | | whatthefat: Does anyone know how much time Carlsen spent on his 52nd move? I seem to recall he was moving fairly quickly at that point to pressure Howell. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | boz: <Whatthefat>
I don't know exactly how much time he used but from my memory of watching it live, not much. He had lots of time available and seemed to be hurrying in Howell's time-trouble. The strange thing is that the simple combination beginning with 52...Ra2+ was already "in the air" from the time Black played 42...Raa2. When Carlsen played 44...Rhg2+ White had to play 45.Kh3 instead of Kf4 for the same reason 52...Ra2+ was a winner (if 45.Kf4 Raf2+ 46.Kxe4 Rxg4+ 47.Kd3 Rxf5). So both players must have seen the line already then in the heat of the battle subsequently forgot. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | Mr. Bojangles: <But yeah, it certainly does show that young Carlsen is human.> Oh yes, I didn't realise until this game that Carlsen was a human being, my gawd. The game is a revelation. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | Mr. Bojangles: <Violence: Kasparov would have won this.> Kasparov missed many outright wins in his career. What happened to Magnus is normal and no one is immune. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | eyalbd: Carlsen played 52.. ♖d7 immediately and missed (as others have shown) a forced win. My guess is that since Howell was (very) short on time so Carlsen played fast in order to exploit this situation for his own advantage. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | Marmot PFL: Carlsen plays imaginative and aggressive middlegames, and his openings are improving quickly. His only weakness seems to be impatience with technical endings at times, and this will probably end with time and practice. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | ajile: 40..Rc1 with exchange of rooks and probable win for Black. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | notyetagm: <FHBradley: It's not unbelievable at all. Even the strongest of the strong blunder at times, a phenomenon that is known outside the chessboard, too. I would be inclined to say it's human.> It's just shocking that a 2800(!)-rated player would overlook a <FORCING SEQUENCE> that consists *entirely* of <CHECKS> (i.e., no quiet moves) that wins a piece and the game on the spot. |
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| Dec-11-09 | | Kinghunt: <notyetagm> I agree it's shocking, but it's hardly unprecedented. I could point to dozens of incidents of super-GMs doing similarly. Carlsen missed a combination he should have seen in an instant no matter what form he was in, but that happens to everyone. |
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| Dec-12-09 | | znsprdx: I find the merciless and unforgiving criticism of Carlsen's misstep disgraceful but it reveals something much deeper: how litte many Chessplayers themselves really understand about Chess that goes to the core of why Chess survives as the world's greatest zero sum game. The unfolding synergy - with the constant shift in the matrix of outcomes - and its temporal effect upon decision-making. In other words the changing position and resulting choices which at any moment makes master or patzer of us all....even including winning by accident as Alekhine once did versus Reti Reti vs Alekhine, 1925 (My apologies to those who believe this was not a fluke) The fairest observation was made by Dec-10-09 Ulhumbrus:
< ...Actually Carlsen may have let a win slip ...... earlier ...... because ....... 28...Nd5 29 e4 Nf4+ might have led to a winning attack for Black> Back to the game: What player would not have played Ra2+? But at 12 ply the image of the K at e6 burns into one's Chessmind's retina - the possible mate threat on the g file with the impending bind on the 7th, add to this the illusion of a possible perpetual check, and it is hair-pulling time. Now which way are those pawns going anyway? Hence... Re5+ is not so easy to see which more likely explains why Carlsen (the current World Blitz Champion and highest rated Classical player) instinctively rejected the line.OH!...Kxf6 oh well.. Add to this the frustration of having to keep playing against someone who doesn't know when to resign - I wish I had a dollar for every game I've lost or drawn when I had a 'won' game:) Chess makes us eat humble pie - better Carlsen learns this now than during the Candidates... |
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| Dec-12-09 | | pacorrum: It's not a zero sum game in this tournament. |
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| Dec-12-09 | | notyetagm: <Kinghunt: <notyetagm> I agree it's shocking, but it's hardly unprecedented. I could point to dozens of incidents of super-GMs doing similarly. Carlsen missed a combination he should have seen in an instant no matter what form he was in, but that happens to everyone.> No, I agree; like I said, it proves he's human.
But that's the kind of <FORCING COMBINATION> you would expect a 2800 to see even if he had been out all night chasing tail with Tiger. :-) |
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| Dec-12-09 | | Eyal: In the video section there's now a documentaiton ("One that Got Away") of Carlsen's reaction when Malcolm Pein shows him after the game what he had missed at move 52... |
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| Dec-12-09 | | notyetagm: <Eyal: In the video section there's now a documentaiton ("One that Got Away") of Carlsen's reaction when Malcolm Pein shows him after the game what he had missed at move 52...> http://www.londonchessclassic.com/v... |
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| Dec-12-09 | | notyetagm: <ANATOMY OF CARLSEN'S MISSED WIN> 52 ... ?
click for larger viewHere Carlsen (Black) played 52 ... ♖d1-d7?, overlooking the <FORCED> win of the White f5-knight with a <SEQUENCE OF CHECKS>. (VAR)
52 ... ♖a3-a2+! 
click for larger view53 ♔g2-g3 ♖d1-g1+
click for larger view54 ♔g3-f4 ♖a2-f2+
click for larger view55 ♔f4xe4 ♖g1xg4+
click for larger view56 ♔e4-d5 ♖f2x♘f5+
click for larger view57 ♔d5-e6 ♖f5-e5+!
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| Dec-13-09 | | notyetagm: D Howell vs Carlsen, 2009 (VAR)
55 ... ?
click for larger view55 ... ♖g1xg4+ <remove guards: f5>
click for larger view55 ... ♖g1xg4+ <DESTROYS> the White g4-pawn defender of the White f5-knight while *simultaneously* <DRIVING OFF> the knight's White e4-king defender, hence <REMOVING THE GUARD> twice for 56 ... ♖f2x♘f5. 56 ♔e4-d5 ♖f2x♘f5+
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Mar-15-11
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♔♖♘♙♙♙ vs. ♔♖♖♙♙
The superior side (in this case black) wins 49.6% of the time. A draw occurs 37.8% of the time.
The inferior side (in this case white) wins 12.6% of the time. |
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Mar-16-11
| | Penguincw: Howell defended nicely in this game against Carlsen. |
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| Jan-25-13 | | IndigoViolet: <<Eyal: In the video section there's now a [video] ("One that Got Away") of Carlsen's reaction when Malcolm Pein shows him after the game what he had missed at move 52...> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad-l... |
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