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| Jan-31-09 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Wow nice job Carlsen! |
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| Jan-31-09 | | waustad: He may win this tournament yet. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | mikedressner: One little thing how about Schachbundesliga |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Karpova: Rybka 3: <(28. g5 Rybka Aquarium (0:00.18)+8.30|d10 )> http://www.chessok.com/broadcast/?k... |
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| Jan-31-09 | | mikedressner: Isn't chessgames going to broadcast Schachbundesliga |
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Jan-31-09
 | | Domdaniel: Draw the first eleventeen games and then finish with a flurry of wins when everyone else is exhausted? One way to win a tournament, I guess. Does anyone know if Carlsen has played this 1.e4 c6 2.c4 line against the Caro before, with whatever move order? And when he eventually plays d4 does it transpose into a kind of Panov? |
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Jan-31-09
 | | perfidious: <Domdaniel> Once White plays d4, it is a Panov, and if, instead of Bb5, he plays Bd3, it can lead to main lines of either the Nimzo-Indian when Black plays ....Bb4 or the QGD Semi-Tarrasch if Black puts the bishop on e7. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: <Dom> Draw the first nine games, to be precise... and according to CG database, Carlsen played this line before in one blitz game - Carlsen vs Morozevich, 2007. As you can see, it's tagged there as "Accelerated Panov", probably because White plays the c4 immediately. This setup is sometimes reached via the Scandinavian, btw - 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 cxd5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 etc. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: Oh, and according to chessbase database Carlsen also played this line in a rapid game from 2005, against... Smeets. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | percyblakeney: <Draw the first eleventeen games and then finish with a flurry of wins when everyone else is exhausted? One way to win a tournament, I guess.> That's also a way to describe it... |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ulhumbrus: After 29 Bc6 one variation is 29...Qd8 30 hg+ hg 31 Qh6 g5 32 Bxd5+! Qxd5 33 Qh7+ Kf8 34 Rxe7 winning |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: <After 29 Bc6 one variation is 29...Qd8 30 hg+ hg 31 Qh6 g5 32 Bxd5+! Qxd5 33 Qh7+ Kf8 34 Rxe7 winning> 31.Qh6 in this line, though, seems to complicate things unnecessarily after 31...Rxe2 32.Rxe2 Rxc6. The most direct way to win after 29...Qd8 might be 30.Rxe7+ Rxe7 31.Ng5+ Kg8 (31...Kg7 32.h6+ Kg8 33.Rxe7 etc.) 32.Rxe7 Qxe7 33.Bxd5+, e.g. 33...Kh8 34.Nf7+ Kg8 35.Qb8 Qd7 36.Nd6+; or 33...Kf8 34.Nxh7+ Qxh7 (34...Kg7 35.Nxf6 Qxf6 36. h6+) 35.Qxf6+ Ke8 36.hxg6; or 33...Kg7 34.h6+ Kf8 35.Nxh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxf6+ Ke8 37.Qg7. It seems that Smeets is definitely lost after Carlsen's 25.Qd2! with the combined threats of Qh6 and Qf4. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | whiteshark: <mikedressner: Isn't chessgames going to broadcast Schachbundesliga> Obviously not, but you may check
http://www.schachbundesliga.de/ for 'Live-Übertragungen'. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | whiteshark: At least Smeets has improved Vaganian vs Serper, 1993 |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <<After 29 Bc6 one variation is 29...Qd8 30 hg+ hg 31 Qh6 g5 32 Bxd5+! Qxd5 33 Qh7+ Kf8 34 Rxe7 winning>
31.Qh6 in this line, though, seems to complicate things unnecessarily after 31...Rxe2 32.Rxe2 Rxc6. The most direct way to win after 29...Qd8 might be 30.Rxe7+ Rxe7 31.Ng5+ Kg8 (31...Kg7 32.h6+ Kg8 33.Rxe7 etc.) 32.Rxe7 Qxe7 33.Bxd5+, e.g. 33...Kh8 34.Nf7+ Kg8 35.Qb8 Qd7 36.Nd6+; or 33...Kf8 34.Nxh7+ Qxh7 (34...Kg7 35.Nxf6 Qxf6 36. h6+) 35.Qxf6+ Ke8 36.hxg6; or 33...Kg7 34.h6+ Kf8 35.Nxh7+ Qxh7 36.Qxf6+ Ke8 37.Qg7.> It is what you call the more direct way to win which complicates things unnecessarily, if White has to calculate many more moves in order to play it. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Eyal: <It is what you call the more direct way to win which complicates things unnecessarily, if White has to calculate many more moves in order to play it.> No it's not, because in your line after 31...Rxe2 (instead of g5?) 32.Rxe2 Rxc6 it still takes quite a long series of precise moves for White to win. I worked out a winning line, but just out of curiosity - what's your "simpler" idea of winning after 32...Rxc6, with White temporarily a piece down? |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Jim Bartle: The position after black's sixth is fun. All four knights developed, and all other pieces plus all pawns unmoved. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Ulhumbrus: <No it's not, because in your line after 31...Rxe2 (instead of g5?) 32.Rxe2 Rxc6 it still takes quite a long series of precise moves for White to win. I worked out a winning line, but just out of curiosity - what's your "simpler" idea of winning after 32...Rxc6, with White temporarily a piece down?> My simpler line was the one I gave. As Black can avoid it by 31...Rxe2 this suggests exchanging Rooks on e7 before playing Qh6. On 31 Rxe7+ Rxe7 32 Rxe7+ Kxe7 a better alternative to 33 Qh6 seems to be 33 g5 and Black can no longer hold the game. |
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| Jan-31-09 | | dombi5678: Carlsen rules! |
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| Jan-31-09 | | Jafar219: Radjabov must ask Carlsen about `<how to beat Smeets?>` |
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| Jan-31-09 | | notyetagm: <PINS!>
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| Feb-01-09 | | notyetagm: http://www.chessok.com/broadcast/?k... |
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| Feb-01-09 | | shintaro go: Amazing. |
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| Feb-01-09 | | Ulhumbrus: One useful lesson which Carlsen's commentary on the game (found on http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...) suggests is that the move Bb5 gains control of the e file for White's Rooks by attacking a black Rook on e8. |
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| Mar-20-09 | | ROO.BOOKAROO: Raymond Keene comments (London Times, Chess, March 21, 2009) on 29. Ne5+"which could be even stronger".
If now 29... Kg7 then 30. Nc6! is a winning move. Black's problem is that 30... Rxe2 runs into 31. Qxc7+.
However if Black plays the accurate 29... Kg8 White does not have anything clear. 30. Nd7 loses after 30 ... Rcxd7. |
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