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Georgy Daskalov vs Nikola Padevsky
Sofia (1970)
Sicilian Defense: Kan. Modern Variation (B42)  ·  1-0

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Jan-31-07
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  playground player: >Swojchelowek< It's still mate. After 33...Ng5, 34.Rh3, h6 35. Rxh6+, gxh6 37. Qg8#
Jan-31-07  vangogh228: Swojchelowek: 33. ... Qb7.

I looked at that, too. Then I realized White has 34. Nxh7. It takes a few moves, but eventually White ends up ahead a Rook and a Knight.

Jan-31-07  vangogh228: playground player: 33...Ng5, 34.Rh3? gxf6. Would you agree?
Jan-31-07  ianD: Lovley suptle move 15 sec.

I would say yesterdays puzzle helped me spot this one quicker than I would have done otherwise.

Thanks Chessgames!

Jan-31-07  Jarlaxle: hmm this might have been said already but wouldnt Qh6 work as well?
Jan-31-07  Delusional Patzer: <jarlaxle> 32... gxf6 refutes it. For some reason I missed this and only considered Rxf6.
Jan-31-07  ALEXIN: Great Sacrifice. Black has a lot of options, each of them comes to the mate !!
Jan-31-07  LaSmitedCrab: lol easy.
Jan-31-07  Fisheremon: <Stonewaller2: Me, I missed it. Might have been easier to find White's 31st, but what's the worst that can happen to Black after 31. ... Kf8 - ?> 32.Nxh7+ Kg8 33.Qh4 threatening next Ng5 ( )

<Swojchelowek: I'm new to chess, so forgive me if my question seems too stupid. But, I don't see an immediate mate here. 31.Qg6 Nf3+ 32.Kh1 Ng5
Now we can't take the knight with the rook, because hxg6 follows and the rook can't go to h5. Neither can the white leave the knight and continue attacking, since h7 is checked. So the only continuation I see is 33.Qxg5. And then black's
33. ... Qb7
saves the mate. And I don't see a clear mate from there. All black looses is a knight.>
<playground player><vangogh228> The numeration should be one move head: 32...Nf3+ 33.Kh1 Ng5 34.Qxg5. Continuation 34...Qc7 was indicated by <jmelton>.

34...Qb7 35.Nxh7:

35...Qe7 36.Qh5 Kg8 37.Ng5 Qf6 38.Qh7+ Kf8 39.Ne6+ Ke7 40.Rg6

35...Qxe4+ 36.Bg2 Qf4 37.Rh3 Qxg5 38.Nxg5+ Kg8 39.Bd5 winning a rook in ending.

The same resistence could be 34...Qa8 35.Bg2 Rdd7 36.Nxd7 Bxd7 37.Rd1 Qf8 In general a quick mate could be with promoting f5-f6 or attack along h-file. Because of that reason I proposed immediate attack with 31.f6 (see my previous poster).

Feb-01-07  Trouble: not a bad problem
Feb-01-07  Thrajin: <Thanks for your kindly advice, YES 30 sec. maybe is not much, ( but i said "about half minute...")after all same " daily puzzles" are so easy.... If i catch the maine line in that time its "self-allowed" same extra sec. for the secondary variants...

But about<even if it takes you an hour, your tactical ability will gradually increase.>..nnnhhhh.... sorry but i dont 100% agree....In several books writed by chess-trainers, its often poInted that "TO FORCE" the brain working its important....

1° In tournament we have alwais limitated time..thats cause we must increase not only in: "find it right"..but too in: " find it right how much FASTER is possib." 2°(last but non least)....we (our brains) are lazy!!!...to increasing is not natural, on the contrary.....I now, maybe thats sounds a little too much " spartan"....but after all, arent we "chess-board warriors" ?!?!

Nice to argue with you..( of course with everyb. too....)>

Hmmm, if you don't get it in that short time, you give up, yet you say looking at the position for over an hour implies laziness. If you give up after 30 seconds (which is half a minute last time I checked), then tell me, what benefit have you gained?

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: <Thrajin:> I didnt said "watch a puzzle for over an hour is a lazy behaivour" (is an absolute lawful choice)...i said "the brain is lazy..." cause i use the puzzle like a training.

<If you give up after 30 seconds.....then tell me, what benefit have you gained?> The benefit is: to "force" the mind to work better and faster as is possible,

Cause we (humans) are proudly and touchy; when we oblige our mind "to face" THE FAILURE...we are putting anothr brick on our development.... If you like, try for a while to do it, you will be very surprised how great BOOST will receive your analisys ability...

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: <Thrajin:> Allow me to say something more.... Try to observe the develop. of two kind of players..the "SPARTAN" (As I call...) and the "SELF-INDULGENT".

the 1°: play otb always with the clock... never try to get back the move when he realize is a mistake( ELASTIC-MOVE...)alway respect the "piece touched piece to move!" rule's...not too much BLITZ, even if he like-it...etc. etc...

the 2°: play only for fun, often without clock, not rarely said: "K'MON! ITS A FRIENDLY GAME...LET ME TAKE BAKE MY MOVE..NOW I SEE ITS WRONG....WHEN U LIKE U CAN DO THE SAME (!!!)..."

very very often i saw when time goes, the 1°type of player with same hundreds ELO point more then the 2°, and with a better understanding of the game... Of course is not a shame be a low-rated player....but if you like play tournaments for grow ( like me)...is not a big honour either....

No one type of player deserve more respect then another. To everyone its choice....
but if U want to be a more stronger and deeper player....

U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!

Feb-01-07  Ziggurat: <U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!>

Isn't that exactly the opposite of your method, to skip the difficult problems after half a minute?

Feb-01-07  laskereshevsky: Ziggurat: <U MUST BE HARD WITH YOUR-SELF....NO PAIN NO GAIN!!!> Isn't that exactly the opposite of your method, to skip the difficult problems after half a minute?

no, i dont think.....Cause i dont skip up, but i force my mind to try to solve that in a limitated time... how i wrote in the previsious post... <Thrajin:> <If you give up after 30 seconds.....then tell me, what benefit have you gained>

<laskereshevsky> <<The benefit is: to "force" the mind to work better and faster as is possible,

Cause we (humans) are proudly and touchy; when we oblige our mind "to face" THE FAILURE...we are putting anothr brick on our development.... If you like, try for a while to do it, you will be very surprised how great BOOST will receive your analisys ability...>>

P.S.: I said "about" half minute....dont EXACTLY 30 seconds.....

Mar-30-07  gambitfan: le mat du couloir !
Nov-18-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: White wins with the Marshallesque 32.Qg6!!, e.g. (a) 32...hxg6 33.Rh3#; (b) 32...Rxf6 33.Qxg7#; (c) 32...gxf6 33.Qg8#; (d) 32...h6 or h5 33.Qh7#. Black can delay mate briefly with 32...Ne2+ 33.Bxe2 or 32...Nf3+! 33.Kh1 Ng5! 34.Qxg5 and the knight is immune, leaving White with a won game.
Nov-18-19  Carrots and Pizza: I thought it was Qh6. What a dope I am. I can't even solve the Monday puzzle. My chess is shht.
Nov-18-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  al wazir: 31...Kf8 32. Nxh7+ Kg8 33. Nf6+ Kf8 34. Qh5 Rxf6 35. Qh8+ Ke7 36. Qxg7+ Rf7 37. f6+ Ke6 38. Bh3+ Nf5 39. Bxf5#
Nov-18-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  gawain: I thought 32 Qh6 would be as good but I missed the defense 32...g6.
Nov-18-19  saturn2: I had 32...Qg6.

33 hxg6 or 33 Rxf6 is mate.

Looked at 32...Nxh7 first.

Nov-18-19  Walter Glattke: 32.Qg6 Nf3+ 33.Kg2 Ng5 / 33.Rxf3 gxf6
Nov-18-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  agb2002: Black threatens Qb7 and Rxf6.

The squares g8 and h7 are defenseless. This suggests 32.Qg6:

A) 32... hxg6 33.Rh3#.

B) 32... gxf6 33.Qg8#.

C) 32... Rxf6 33.Qxg7#.

D) 32... Ne2+ 33.Bxe2, just loses the knight.

E) 32... Nf3+ 33.Kh1 (33.Rxf3 Rxf6) 33... Ng5 (33... hxg6 34.Rh3+ Nh4 35.Rxh4#) 34.Qxg5 wins a piece since the white knight cannot be captured.

Nov-18-19  Autoreparaturwerkbau: Found 32.♕g6! which makes knight AND queen immune from capturing.

Didn't see 32...♘f3+ defense though, which prolongs the inevitable, but i'll settle for a point anyway.

Nov-18-19
Premium Chessgames Member
  FSR: <gawain> 32.Qh6? allows 32...gxf6.
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