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| Apr-23-05 | | aw1988: For pure solidity perhaps the Benoni, or the Slav. A runner-up might be the Grunfeld. This is of course purely my own opinion, others may disagree. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | hintza: I had to laugh when I saw Grünfeld and "solid" in the same sentence. As for the Benoni: I would say certain variations are rather shaky. The Slav can be solid but still it can get pretty wild. If Black wants to keep it solid he can though. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | ConLaMismaMano: IMO it goes like this: Slav, Nimzoindian, Queen's indian and Queen's Gambit Accepted. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | aw1988: That's precisely what I mean by solid. One opening can get wild, but if black wishes, he can keep it like concrete. Grunfeld resources are tricky; one must not be swayed always with "familiar positions"... of course, this holds true for other openings, but especially here, since material imbalances in the Grunfeld are sometimes quite large. However, once 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 occurs, black has no problem, all he has to do is capitalize on inaccuracies. The Benoni offers dynamic counter-chances. The Benoni is good for when the second player is cautious, and does not rush the play. The Slav has a number of tricks.
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| Apr-23-05 | | hintza: Well my personal opinion is that in terms of solidity I would say the Nimzo Indian and Queen's Indian come out on top. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | aw1988: The reason I do not include KID is simply because it is what I like to call "too dynamic", which is not the same as "dubious" or "bad", but the problem is that the energy has normally overstepped the limit, and something happens. Going through ECO a few years ago I was going through some of these lines and found that if black collapses... he collapses... HARD. White and black in the KID have about 6 problems each (very vague terminology, but you get the idea), and so one is forced in the KID to be dynamic. As opposed to say, the Benoni, for there the resources I find are more easily accessable. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | aw1988: As for the Nimzo and Queen's-Indian, it's true those are solid. They do not fit in with my description because they are simply very flexible systems, one may play them with leisure. |
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Apr-23-05
 | | keypusher: For what it's worth, this opening is quite Benoni-ish, whatever its proper name may be. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | Everett: This game turned into a Benoni. Isn't the Benoni a KID with c5 instead of e5? Black being armed with this knowledge allows him to choose which is the best way to meet variations on d4, either e5 or c5. Further, if Lev Alburt and Chernin are to be believed, the Pirc is viable against e4, defending Bronstein's recommendation for beginners to play the "King's House" as white or black. Why has no one mentioned the Semi-Slav. Was considered more solid than the Slav for years. And the Dutch. Everyone's pat answers are silly.
<aw1988> You have a lot of stipulations as to your definitions concerning openings. Next time I play Garry, I'll pick the Nimzo because it's "flexible" and I can "play at my leisure." The Bd3 combined with h3 systems against the Benoni have been very tough for black in recent years, FYI |
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Apr-23-05
| | keypusher: <most solid defence against 1.d4> Shouldn't someone mention the good old Q.G.D.? Capablanca would be shocked at you people. |
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| Apr-23-05 | | aw1988: Another one we can stick in "flexible". |
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| Apr-23-05 | | hintza: I would say most if not all openings are flexible in one way or another. Apart from 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.Ke2. |
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| Apr-26-05 | | Everett: <aw1988> seems your reasoning is "flexible" |
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Apr-26-05
 | | patzer2: Black's 34...c4! forces a decisive passed pawn. |
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Apr-26-05
| | patzer2: 43...Bxe4! uses a simple Knight Fork threat to end White's resistance. |
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Apr-26-05
| | patzer2: White's 33. Ra1? appears to be the blunder turning the game in Black's favor. After 33. Ne3!? Ra3 34. Qc2 Bb5 35. Nf5+  , White appears to have reasonable counter chances. |
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| Apr-26-05 | | Dustin J.: <Everett> Hi, I'm a modern benoni player, and I'll drop in my two cents. The Benoni's main difference is in the majorty of modern benoni games, e6 is played before d6. However, this is mainly preference to play d6 before c5 or e5 and can easily transpose to either opening, though if c5 is played before either, e6 and the modern benoni is the major choice. Most aren't comfortable with the Czech Benoni (pawns on e5, d6, c5). But, these days it's safer to play d6 first and play the moves in reverse order, fianchetting the bishop until white plays Nf3, avoiding the powerful Tamainov line in the Modern Benoni. |
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| Apr-26-05 | | delterp: I disagree, <Patzer2>, I think white began to wander with 22. ♘f4?. Why would white want to trade off black's worst piece?
Instead, I would have played 22. a5!. This limits black's q-side pawn advance. White would follow up with 23. ♘f1, 24. ♘e3, and 25. ♘c4. When the knight at c4 dominates the game. |
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Apr-27-05
| | patzer2: <delterp> After 22. a5 Qg6 23. b5 c4 24. Bc3 , White may be a slightly better than in the game continuation. However, in referring to the turning point in the game, I meant that 33. Ra1? is a mistake that loses outright. While 22. Nf4 may be slightly inferior to other alternatives, it is not a losing blunder. |
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| Apr-27-05 | | Everett: <Dustin J.> Yes, I agree with all you say. My point here is that this transposes into a Benoni. People can call it a KID, but the half-open e-file, Q-side majority and absent white c-pawn are clearly characteristics of Benoni pawn-structures. |
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| Jun-21-05 | | ArturoRivera: However, w3e must admit, that when black wins in the KID, he normally WINS, i ont like to fight against it (or at least not the common main lines) cause altough i recognize white gets a VERY nice hand on the queenside, black gets the atack running on the kingside!!, i prefer to play Bg5 variations (like seirawan) cause the activity black gets on the kingside is very nice... |
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| Jul-03-05 | | DutchDunce: <most solid defence against 1.d4><Shouldn't someone mention the good old Q.G.D.? Capablanca would be shocked at you people.> Some food for thought: has the QGD undergone a massive re-thinking since the days of Capablanca? NO ONE at the top levels plays it anymore. They might play the Slav or Semi-Slav, or an occasional QGA, but never the plain ol' QGD. A few positions down from the top, there's Nigel Short, who does play it, but he tends to lose with it. |
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| Jul-03-05 | | euripides: 34...Nf3+ 34 Bxf3 Qxa1+ 36 Kh2 gxf3 37 Qg5+ Kf8 is also possible as Black can dodge the perpetual after 38 Qd8+ Be8 39 Qxd6+ Kg8 or 38 Qh6+ Ke8 39 Qh8+ Ke7. However, there is still some messy counterplay so Radjabov's line is probably more accurate. |
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| Jul-03-05 | | euripides: <patzer> White's position looks very dodgy after 33 Ne3 as every Black piece is better than its White equivalent. One possibility then is 33..c4 as 34 Qxb4 loses to 34...Nd3 35 Qd2 Nxe1 36 Nxe1 cxb3, and if White captures the c pawn on move 34 Black can get a passed b pawn and play b3 with the very nasty threat of Ra2. Illescas may have played Ra1, knowing he was losing, in the hope of creating the complications that would arise after 34 ...Nf3+. It's rare to see Black's Benoni strategy so classically executed against top-flight opposition - a bit like Spassky vs Fischer, 1972 |
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| Jun-05-06 | | Whitehat1963: <Most solid defense against 1. d4.> My vote: Queen's Indian (E15) |
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