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Paul Korhonen vs Chai Chin Lim
IECG (2000) (correspondence), QN, rd 1
King Pawn Game: Damiano Defense (C40)  ·  1-0

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Nov-17-04  azaris: <The Damiano Defense is probably not as bad as the stats indicate> No, it is much much worse. At least 2...f5?! gives Black active play in exchange for the weak e8-h5 diagonal.
Nov-17-04
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  tpstar: <Sneaky> I'm intrigued by your annotations. If you truly like 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 f6 3. Nxe5! Qe7!! as Black, please meet me on GameKnot to air it out. It'll be a perfect match-up, since I'm a complete patzer while you're an eccentric genius. ;>)
Nov-17-04  Saruman: As white dont try;

8.d4?? Bd6 and the queen is trapped.

8.h4! h6 9.Bxb7! NOT Bxb7 10.Qf5#.

Dec-03-04  blitzkrieg: black should have played Kg6.i think that will prolong the game, waiting for white to commit mistake right?rather than retreat to Ke7 which obviously a suicide, take the risk instead and "draw" by repetition!
Dec-03-04  learnChess1980: <blitzkrieg> if black play Kg6, then Bf7#
Apr-24-05  Zabooti: Did this game actually happen? It's really sad.
Nov-02-05  psmith: <saruman> See <M Thaler vs. S Sloan> which proceeded 8. Bxb7 Bd6 9. Qd5 Nf6 10. Ob3 Bxb7 11. Qxb7 Nbd7 and Black won. How does the interposition of 8. h4 h6 help with that line? Why isn't what Korhonen played better?
Nov-02-05  sneaky pete: <psmith> After 8.Qg3+ Qg5 is a lot better than what's played here. If first 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Bxb7? 11.Qf5#. Or if 8... h5 in this line then 11.Qf5+ Kh6 11.d4+ .. wins. Without 8.h4 .. black could still defend with .. g5.
Nov-02-05  dzanone: I teach chess to a lot of children. I always let them pick the color. They usually pick black. I've seen this a lot. It gives me a chance to show them how to mate quickly. Sometimes my Q has been removed, and it's not so bad then.
Nov-02-05  Robert De Leon Jr.: Correct <sneaky pete>, 8...Qg5 is the best move, but <EVERYONE> CORRECT play should continue with (9. Qxc7 Ne7 10. Qd6+ Kh5 11. Bf7+ Ng6 12. Bxg6+ hxg6 13. Qg3 Qxg3 14. hxg3+) OR (9. Qxc7 Ne7 10. Qd6+ Kh5 11. Bf7+ Ng6 12. Bxg6+ hxg6 13. Qg3 Nc6 14. Qf3+ Kh6), to which both variations are preferable for Black to at BEST hold to a DRAW*. However, a warning to those who FALL or DARE to play into this opening. The Draw is only THEORETICAL** and unless you are used to defending bad positions (I'm one of those) and completely frustrating opponents in what is known to be a won game (me again), then by all means try your luck in a Classical, Blitz, or Correspondence game.

And finally, <sneaky pete> your comment <Or if 8... h5 in this line then 11.Qf5+ Kh6 11.d4+ .. wins.> 11.Qf5?? is a complete BLUNDER. Black simply plays 11...Bxf5 and White is lost no matter what! Sorry to have to tell, but you really should analyze your lines properly before posting them. It helps to read and reread your KIBITZ at the "Preview Your Kibitz" page so that you can edit anything out of the ordinary before you begin posting it. If my tone sounds offensive I would just like to clarify that I'm looking out for the best interest of <YOU>, <ME>, and <EVERYONE> for future comments that actually pertain to the above game.

*Note: With active piece play it is qutie possible for Black to score a full point, but only if White blunders the lines. So for the most part, I'll theorize that the draw is the best Black can hope for.

**Note: This draw is only possible with best play from Black. A Computer would no doubt easily find refutations and even winning lines, but for the most part Humans will sometimes crack "under pressure". Sing it Queen! Sorry, had to say it.

Any thoughts...

Nov-03-05  sneaky pete: <Robert De Leon Jr.> Very instructive. <Or if 8... h5 in this line ...> in my earlier post referred to the line 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Bxb7? 11.Qf5#. With 8... h5 instead of 8... h6 here after 11.Qf5+ .. I honestly believed .. Kh6 is the only legal move, completely overlooking .. Bb7xf5.
Nov-03-05  Robert De Leon Jr.: <sneaky pete> your comment <If first 8.h4 h6 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Bxb7? 11.Qf5#. Or if 8... h5 in this line then 11.Qf5+ Kh6 11.d4+ .. wins.> was correct to the point that 8...h5 9.Bxb7 Bd6 10.Qa5 Bxb7?? 11.Qf5+ Kh6 12.d4+ g5 and it's now mate in 7 (13. Qf7 Bh2 14. Bxg5+ Qxg5 15. hxg5+ Kxg5 16. Qg7+ Kf4 17. Qe5+ Kg4 18. f3+ Kh4 19. Rxh2#), mate in 6 (13. Qf7 Bf4 14. hxg5+ Qxg5 15. Bxf4 Nf6 16. Qxf6+ Kh7 17. Qf7+ Kh6 18. Rxh5#), and another mate in 6 (13. Qf7 Bf4 14. hxg5+ Qxg5 15. Bxf4 Nf6 16. Qxf6+ Kh7 17. Qf7+ Kh6 18. Rxh5#), which ever Black prefers to play towards.

What I had meant to say was, that if Black doesn't play <10...Bxb7??> and instead plays <10...Nc6 11.Qf5+?? Bxf5>, but even from that position <10.Qa5> Black can play for a more intersting game with 10...Nc6 11.Bxc6 Rb8 12Qxa7 and your at a position referred to as "The Five Pawns Gambit".

This position <The Five Pawns Gambit> even though lost, as White holds a +5 lead, gives Black the opportunity to actively play his pieces. If Whites blunders, the game could go in Blacks favor. But this is only THEORETICALY* speaking of course.

So I apologize if I insulted your intelligence.

*Note: A Computer would no doubt easily find refutations and even winning lines, but for the most part Humans will sometimes crack "under pressure".

Any thoughts...

May-05-06  popski: <sneaky & tpstar> I wonder how story goes after 3.♘xe5! ♕e7!! 4.♕h5+ g6 (what else?) 5.♘xg6...

black can try here: 5... ♕xe4+ 6.♗e2 ♕xg2 7.♘xh8+ ♔e7 8.♕f7+ ...hmm.

or 5... ♕f7 8.♘f4 ...also hmm.

What do you thik?

May-06-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  tpstar: <popski> That's an old trap = 5. Nxg6?? Qxe4+ & 6 ... Qxg6 wins a piece. Or 6. Qe2 Qxe2+ & 7 ... hxg6 wins.
May-06-06  popski: <tpstar> Ups..., I will not comment positions without previous setup on board any more... :)
Nov-03-06  2021: 8.Qg3+?? is a blunder because of 8. ... Qg5!
Nov-03-06  2021: 8.h4! is the winning move. See my analysis on King's Knight Opening (C40)
Nov-19-06  popski: <2021: 8.Qg3+?? is a blunder because of 8. ... Qg5!> Yes, indeed!
Aug-28-07  JYMMI: Can't 8. ... ♕g5 be replied with succes by 9.♕xc7?
Aug-28-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: It's hard to believe there's anyone out there actually playing the Damiano. And yet I recently encountered it three times in one week! All three resulted in early demises for Black. Maybe they should change the name of this opening: say, "2...f6, Black Pens a Suicide Note."
Aug-29-07  JYMMI: <playground player> You're right, wikipedia say the name of only three or four masters that played this.
Mar-01-08  jovack: black as no idea as to what's going on
Mar-01-08  satch boogie: Black couldve tried 8...Qg5 to try and force a queen trade.
Oct-17-08  thebribri8: 8. Qg5 does not save black. A Lenderman vs S Sloan, 2007
Feb-18-09  WhiteRook48: great king hunt
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