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| Nov-27-05 | | dakgootje: yeah, I dont like computers too much but i cant deny that their analyses are at least almost always correct |
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| Nov-27-05 | | Guest1825: I got the fxe6 move, but not the Qh3 move. I was consumed by possibilities of controlling the open file, which sludged up my mating attack. So I decided to go with the first move, and partial victory. Because I knew it was winning, but not sure how it converted to mate! How much time should be spent solving these things? I'm spending about 1 to 3 minutes tops. <Chessgames>, could you add a "timer" to these puzzles? i.e. puzzle to be solved in 2 min.? |
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| Nov-27-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: I took a short nap, then woke up and tackled this puzzle. I must have been half asleep, I didn't come close to solving it. (I chose f6 and Qh3, it gives White a strong attack, but is not 1/10 as convincing as the continuation in the actual game.) It is also a game of nearly unparalleled brilliance by Velimmirovic. (I have annotated several of his game on my "Angel-Fire" web site, I like this game so much, I may have to add it to my collection.) |
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| Nov-27-05 | | Dick Brain: I would certainly never have gotten this one if I hadn't already played the game over on several occasions. 22. Rxh7 is tempting with the following qh3+, f6, and the rook lift on the fourth rank, but the Black attack is too fast. |
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Nov-27-05
 | | RookFile: I can't help but be reminded of Fischer's game with Geller. Fischer
had a win, but made a slight inaccuracy, and it was Geller who
emerged with the win. This position
is very similar, one wrong move, and it will be black who wins rather than white. I didn't come close to solving this.
Fischer vs Geller, 1967 |
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Nov-27-05
 | | Richard Taylor: <babakova: 22.Rxh7? does NOT win. 22...Kxh7!(no need for other variations when this is clearly strongest) 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.f6 Bxb3 25.Rg4 (as earlier recommended) Rc8! white has no time to put his rook on h4 and mate on h8 since his own king is under heavy pressure. A silly variation is 26.Rh4 Rxc2+ 27.Kd1 Rc3 discovered check and the white queen falls> I'm not sure of his although I did miss Rc8 which looks like a killer - but after 22. Rxh7 Kxh7 23. Qh3+ Kg8 24. f6 Bxb3 25. axb3 Now if 25. ...Qa1+ 26. Kd2
Buy 25 .... Rc8 looks strong.
But 26. Rg4 Qa2 27. Rh4 Rxc2+ 28. Kxc2 Rc8+ 29. Bc3 and wins However this variatin shows how alert one must be in this type of position! I would have played some kind of move like Rxh7 or fxe6 even without knowing the precise method of winning and even if I lost after Rxh7 -so what?? - it would be cowardly not to play it if I thought it was winning. Let's get subjective here!!
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| Nov-27-05 | | khense: I got the f5 X e6, the Qh3 and the rxh7 with what looks like a winning attack. I think I won most positioins that good, but probably lost some. |
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Nov-28-05
| | Richard Taylor: I forgot again that of course after 25 ...Qa1+ 26. Kd2 Qxb1 wins. Lol. |
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Nov-28-05
| | Richard Taylor: However!! 22. Rxh7 Kxh7 23. Qh3+ Kg8 24. f6 Bxb3 25. Qxb3 is not so clear -
this is all academic of course... also after 22. Rxh7 kx Q checks etc then fxe6 maybe possibe -in the light of Shredders Rc8 Velmirovic's "first" move 22. fxe6 is best -in fact it is fairly logical and quite a beautiful sequence -but it's intersting to try out other attacks to see how far one can get in attack and defence in this type of position. |
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| Nov-28-05 | | Averageguy: Lol, my namesake got completely owned!
He must have studied my games ;-) |
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| Dec-02-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: After getting an e-mail about this game, I took a few minutes and looked at the following line:
22.Rxh7?!, Really an inferior move. (Maybe - '?') 22...Kxh7; 23.f6? Bxb3; 24.cxb3 Rc8+; 25.Kb1 Bf8; 26.h4 Qc7; 27.Qe2 Bc5; "  " Fritz 8.0 ... after about 10 minutes ... has Black winning by some 7-10 points. (The 'evals' keep fluctuating.) |
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| Dec-02-05 | | patzer2: White's 22. fxe6! and 23. Qh3! prepare the demolition of pawn structure combination 24. Rxh7!! to decisively exploit the weak Black King position. |
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| Dec-03-05 | | LIFE Master AJ: <patzer2> I could not agree ... more. |
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Jun-06-21
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Completely flubbed this one (no surprise), so 6/7 for the week. The real surprise--Fridjonsson let Velimirovic play the Velimirovic. If Mr. V. had ever played White against me, and I could only choose his variation or the Damiano Defense--would play 1...e5 and 2...f6 without a second thought. I'm no masochist. |
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| Jun-06-21 | | mel gibson: I got that wrong.
I thought 21 Q-h3.
(which is a score of -1.0 for Black
so still winning for White but not great)
Stockfish 13 says
21. f5
(21. f5 (f4-f5 ♖b8-b7 ♘a4-b6 ♘d7-f8 f5-f6 ♖a8-e8 f6xe7 ♖b7xe7
♗d4-c5 ♖e7-b7 ♖h4xb4 ♗c6-b5 a2-a3 ♖e8-b8 ♘b6-a4 ♗b5-c6 ♖b4xb7 ♖b8xb7 ♗c5-b6
♕a5-b5 ♗b6-d4 ♖b7-b8 ♘a4-c5 ♕b5-a5 h2-h4 ♘f8-d7 ♘c5xd7 ♗c6xd7 h4-h5 ♕a5-c7
♖g1-h1 ♖b8xb3 ♕e3xb3 ♗d7-b5 h5xg6 f7xg6 ♔c1-b1 ♕c7-f7 ♕b3-h3 ♗b5-e2 b2-b3
a6-a5 ♔b1-b2 ♗e2-h5 ♖h1-f1 ♕f7-e7) +7.21/41 475) score for White +7.21 depth 41. |
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| Jun-06-21 | | Walter Glattke: Betray play with " constellation U" and "play Ii" in my internet boom, once I had a homepage for that. First 0-0-0/Bd3/Be3/Qd2/Rg1/Rh1, then f3-g4-h4-Bg7 and at last Qh6-Qxh7/Qh8 - black, so the "books" has to play "waiting moves" g6/Nf6/ Bg7 and then Qa5- Rfc8-Bd7 and is always too late, and the alcoholic has easy win play.
A typical final attack is shown here with 21.Rxh7 Kxh7 22.Qh3+ Kg8 (22.-Kg7? 23. Qh6+ one move more for white) 23.Rg3 Bxa4 24.Rh3 f6 25.exf6 Kf7 26.Qh7 +Ke8 27.Qxe7#
This is no real chess, only para chess for the illusion, that alcoholics are with high IQ.!! |
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| Jun-06-21 | | Brenin: I missed this one. I kept trying to make the "obvious" 21 Rxh7 work, but the consensus from 2005 seems to be that it is too slow, and Black's Q-side counter-attack wins. White has to play f5 and then exchange on e6 first, so that after Rxh7 and Qh3 he has Qxe6, changing the direction of the attack. A good Sunday puzzle, with a nice "red herring" to tempt the unwary away from the best line. |
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Jun-06-21
 | | agb2002: Black threatens Bxa4.
The knight is lost so White must focus on the black castle. Since 21.Qh3 is met with 21... Nf8 and 21.Rxh7 Kxh7 22.Qh3+ Kg8 seems to go nowhere, the only reasonable option is 21.f5 and hope the best. |
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Jun-06-21
 | | Messiah: Terrible! |
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| Jun-06-21 | | Refused: Typical sic. position with kings located on different sides of the board. It's just a question of break through first. 21.f5! is the move white wants to play.
point is
a) 21...exf5 22.e6 and white has succeded to break through 22...fxe6 23.Qxe6+ Kf8 24.Rxh7 curtains or 22...Nf8 23.exf7 Kxf7 24.Qe5 +- point is, the black king ends up in the crossfire of the entire white army. b) 21...gxf5 22.Rxh7 is just grim. 22...Kxh7 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.g6 +- 21...Nf8 22.g6! +- c) 21...Bxa4 22.fxe6 fxe6 (23.exf7+ with Rxh7 looming is not desirable) 23.Qh3! Nf8 24.Rxh7 Nxh7 25.Qxe6+ Kf8 26.Rf1+ Ke8 27.Rf7 +- White has again broken through the defense and it's resignable |
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| Jun-06-21 | | Walter Glattke: Just see, the white h-line attack can be stopped by (21.Rxh7 Kxh7 22. Qh3+ Kg8) 23. Rg3 Bf8 24.Qh4 Bg7 in the typical betray the bishop can be changed with (Qd2- Be3) Bh6/Bxg7/Kxg7/Qh6+
21.f5 then wins. |
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Jun-06-21
 | | chrisowen: Humbug ivory having it pf5 friend feels liker its aka valour ins abet its leeway lavish garrulous ins hummbug ivory leitmotiv publish photon beam vamoose marquis its mike o quite oar juicy fever wintry vociferous ivory dazzled um its parkers ovids i othello its muddy improv baffle conjoin journey ivors valor zilch totups iotas achtung ovids its moggy ivory vasts ibson a district dance it’s ok tennyson winch valor batch ivory its muzzles leitmotiv pf5 buff!! |
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Jun-06-21
| | chrisowen: No lecture as on pf5 lo at fleece it dams black a4 jatha no? |
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Jun-06-21
| | chrisowen: No tricky pf5 maybe no |
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| Jun-06-21 | | RandomVisitor: 20...Bxa4 stops the white initiative, so that on 21.Bxa4
click for larger view Stockfish_21053118_x64_modern:
<37/55 05:48 -0.91 21...Bc5 22.Bxd7 Bxd4 23.Qxd4 Qxd7> 24.Qf2 Qc7 25.Rh6 Rb6 26.Kb1 Rc8 27.Rh3 Qc5 28.Qxc5 Rxc5 29.b3 Rbc6 30.Rg2 h5 31.Rd2 Kf8 37/48 05:48 -0.78 21...Nf8 22.Rh6 Rc8 23.Bb6 Qc4 24.Kb1 Rab8 25.Bd4 Bc5 26.Bxc5 Qxc5 27.Qxc5 Rxc5 28.Rf1 Rc4 29.Rh3 a5 30.a3 Rb7 31.Kc1 Rbc7 |
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