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| Jan-18-09 | | xrt999: from the opening development with tension on c4, white castling queenside and placing the rooks on g and h, you can feel white just owning this game right from the get-go; as if he played 1.c4 knowing that his opponent would maintain the tension and go kingside. White's bishops and queen are slicing into black's kingside, and black really has nothing to pin his hopes on except for maybe a run on the a file. I really like 12.h4! Black has no response, as if he didnt see it coming. These brutal pawns and rooks are unstoppable. White maintains the tension waiting for black to offer an entry and here it is 29.e6! Beautiful. |
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Jan-18-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: You'd think <Jesus> would be able to beat a <Bishop>. This makes the <Bishop's> achievement all the more miraculous, IMO. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | kevin86: Wo is white-for he has only two connected passed pawns for a queen! BUT-how powerful they are! In short time,they will cost black his queen and probably mate as well. The second will almost certainly score another queen! BTW,after a short review,I consider 30 ♕xh7+!!!! equal to OR BETTER than Frank Marshall's 23...♕xg3!!! in the "gold piece" game. |
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| Jan-20-09 | | patzer of patzers: Thanks for the correction, <Unsound Hero>--I'd never have seen h6! myself... I do find the 40...Ra7! game-lengthener interesting, but, looking at it briefly, I don't see how Black can escape without losing at least a rook. |
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| Jan-21-09 | | patzer of patzers: Crap, I meant <UnsoundHero>... |
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| Mar-26-09 | | WhiteRook48: A Catholic Bishop makes the king of all time fall |
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| Apr-30-09 | | WhiteRook48: saving the pawn leaves black hanging for 41 h7+ Kf8 42 h8Q+ Bg8 43 g7+ |
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| Apr-30-09 | | Shams: < According to www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/fant100.htm, 38.Qxh7+ is the tenth greatest move ever played.> what is the obsession of the modern world with ranking things? 100 greatest films, 50 best sports moments...I find it all quite silly. |
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| Sep-06-09 | | WhiteRook48: who really needs a queen anyway? |
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| Aug-16-10 | | sevenseaman: One who rides a tiger cannot afford to dismount. |
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Dec-21-23
 | | takebackok: Black threatens mate starting with Ra1+ so 38 Qh7+ Qxh7+ again only move 39 g6 now the thinking begins. 39...Qxg6 has to lose to 40 Rxg6+ & then Bxa3, So now 39...Ra7 or Ba2+ and it gets kind soupy. Dinner time, still thinking. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | mel gibson: A Queen sac? - I didn't even consider that.
No wonder I'm not a grand master. - LOL
Stockfish 16 says:
38. Qxh7+ (38. Qxh7+ (1.Qxh7+ Qxh7+ 2.g6 Ba2+ 3.Kc1 Ra7 4.gxh7+ Kxh7 5.Rg7+ Rxg7 6.hxg7+
Kg6 7.Rf1 Bf7 8.Kc2 Ra8 9.Bd4 Ra2+ 10.Kd3 Ra8 11.Rb1 b3 12.Rf1 Re8 13.e4
Rb8 14.Bb2 Ra8 15.Bc3 Rb8 16.Rf2 Rb7 17.Rg2+ Kh7 ) +5.39/45 228) score for White +5.39 depth 45. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Refused: Chess being the tragedy of a tempo once again
Black is threatening Ra1+ Qa2+ Qxa2+ Qc3+ which would basically kill off white. Thus drastic measures are required.
38.Qxh7+
a) 38...Kxh7 39.g6+ Kg8 40.h7+ +-
b) 38...Qxh7 39.g6
b1) 39...Qa7 40.h7+ +- is a mere transposition
b2) 39...Ba2+ 40.Kc1 and black has run out of moves. +- |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Brenin: Black's resignation seems premature: 40 ... Ra7 41 gxh7+ Kxh7 42 Rg7+ Rxg7 43 hxg7+ Kg6, and Black is a P down, but with g8 well covered, and opposite Bs, there are drawing chances. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Cecco: <Brenin>: I agree. Is it possible that black lost due to time? |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Allderdice83: The puzzle's pretty easy to solve, of course, 38. Qxh7+. Black resigns in view of 40...Qc7 (40 ... Qd7 gets mated faster; 40 ... Qa7 leads to a similar result) 41. h7+ Kf8 42. h8=Q+ Ke7 43. Rh7+ Kd8 44. Bf6+, and White will first win the rook, then win the queen for a rook, and trap and mate the king with the bishop and queen (with an assist from the c pawn). I was wondering, though, what would have happened if Black had accepted the bishop with 30 ... Kxg7. I figured White would play 31. Qb2+, and then ... 31 ... Kg8 33. g6 h6 34. Qf6 Nc8 35. Bxf5 Ra1+ 36. Kxa1 Qa7+ 37. Kb1 Qd7 38. Rf1 and Black can't defend any longer, eg., 38 ... Bxf5+ 39. Rxf5 Qe7 40. Qf7+ Kh8 41. g7+ Kh7 42. g8=Q# , or 31 ... Kf7 33. Qf6+ Kg8 34. Qxe6+ Kg7 35. h6+ Kf8 (or Kh8) 36. Qf6+ Kg8 37. Qg7#, or 31 ... Kf8 33. Qf6+ Bf7 34. g6 hxg6 35. hxg6 Nxg6 36. Rxg6 and 37. Rh8# can only be stopped by giving up heavy material (36 ... Ra1+ 37. Qxa1 Qe5 38. Rh8+ Bg8 39. Rhxg8+ etc. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Cecco: <Allderdice83>: Black's best move (instead of resigning) is 40. ... Ra7. With that he could have kept on fighting. |
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Dec-21-23
 | | scormus: A very critical position. W can play 38 Qf6 to threaten # which can only be stopped (I think) by B's forced # in 3. 38 Qxh7+ Qxh7+ 39 g6 looks effectively forced for both sides. Does B have any playable move? Definitely not ... Qxp (either) ... Ba2+ looks to give the best fighting chance, giving W opportunities to make a mistake. I agree with <Cecco>, B might well have lost on time. The position doesn't look resignable to me, certainly not on move 40. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | mel gibson: <Dec-21-23 Brenin: Black's resignation seems premature:> I checked that for you -
When Black resigns Stockfish 16 says:
40. .. Ra7
(1. ... Ra7 2.gxh7+ Kxh7 3.Rg7+ Rxg7 4.hxg7+ Kg6
5.Rf1 Bf7 6.e4 b3 7.Kd2 Ra8 8.Kd3 Bg8 9.Rf8 Ra2 10.Bc3 Kh7 11.Rc8 Rg2
12.Rxc6 Rg3+ 13.Kd4 Rxg7 14.Rb6 Rd7+ 15.Ke5 Re7+ 16.Kf5 Re8 17.Kf6 Rxe4
18.Kg5 Be6 19.Rb8 Rg4+ 20.Kh5 Rg7 21.Bxg7 Kxg7 22.c6 Kf6 23.c7 Ke7 24.c8Q
Bxc8 25.Rxc8 b2 26.Rb8 Ke6 27.Rxb2 Kd5 28.Rb4 Kc5 29.Rb3 Kc4 30.Rh3 Kb4
31.Kg5 Kc5 32.Rb3 Kc4 33.Rf3 Kd5) -4.92/46 133
score for Black -4.92 depth 46. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | Cecco: <mel gibson>: of course I don't argue with Stockfish. Which however makes an analysis of 33 moves. I think a human can keep on playing for a few moves without offending anyone. |
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Dec-21-23
 | | chrisowen: Les q i jump faith dan its Qxh7+ its a flick pc botched its hoh its bid its hoh its arrive its set its Qxh7+ gab |
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| Dec-21-23 | | TheaN: What a great position really. Black's looming threat of Ra1+ forces White's hand, which wins! At least, practically gives major winning chances. <38.Qxh7+!! Qxh7 (Kxh7 39.g6+ Kg8 40.h7+ Kf8 (Qxh7 41.gxh7+ +-) 41.h8Q +-) 39.g6> and Black has a couple of unpleasant choices and one good one. Moving the queen doesn't necessarily prevent the pawnslaught due to 40.h7+, taking either pawn is bad, 39....Qxh6?? 40.Rxh6 and Rh8# is as good as unpreventable and 39....Qxg6+ 40.Rxg6+ Kf8 41.Bxa3 +-. So that kind of leaves Ra7! which I missed: the best variation to do this is to play 39....Ba2+ first, 40.Kc1 Ra7, followed by the forced 41.gxh7+ Kxh7 42.Rg7+ Rxg7 43.hxg7+ Kg6:
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Definitely a playable endgame for Black. Opposite bishops, few pawns and for the moment enough control of g8. Before this position SF gives a proper winning endgame to White, but on this position it's just +1.7 which makes me believe it's actually a draw. <mel gibson> in these positions, don't blindly believe a brute-force computer. They analyze endlessly, in which White keeps a fair advantage but not a win (that is not the same!). There are locked up positions where one color's on +5 yet not winning, because there's no breakthrough. Perpetual +5 = draw. |
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Dec-21-23
| | scormus: <Thean> Thanks for posting what in many ways the key position - the half time state of play.
It's all tactics till then, now one needs to work out how to win.
I admit I'd have jumped in with 44 Rh8?!, "forcing" B to play ... Bg8 (if anything else, 1-0), leaving a lot of work for W to get the win. More than simply a matter of "technique" against good play. SF (in my case), or some good thought (by someone else) shows 44 Rf1 is much better, threatening Rf8 and denying g8 to the B. I still don't think it's an easy matter to secure the win. |
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| Dec-21-23 | | mel gibson: <<mel gibson> in these positions, don't blindly believe a brute-force computer. They analyze endlessly, in which White keeps a fair advantage but not a win (that is not the same!). There are locked up positions where one color's on +5 yet not winning, because there's no breakthrough. Perpetual +5 = draw.> Not that I've seen.
+5 is equivalent to 5 pawns or a whole Rook advantage. |
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Dec-22-23
 | | GoldenKnight: I actually got this one. White's two pawns were irresistible, so I looked for the best way to exploit them. And it came. |
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