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| Apr-09-04 | | iron maiden: Black is finished no matter what; he either takes White's queen and gets mated or he loses his own. |
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Apr-12-05
 | | perfidious: Spitecheck's remarks about calculation
remind me of a game I lost in the 1988 US Open; I was in a somewhat worse position and had analysed various unpleasant lines, finding no good option, merely more or less unpalatable ones.........So what did I do ?
In my muddled state, I returned to a line I'd already discarded in which I lose rook and two pieces for the queen. My 2050-rated opponent found it, of course, and I was left to ponder my foolishness at leisure. |
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Apr-12-05
 | | OhioChessFan: Hello all. Been reading the boards for months, but new to posting. I am that rare person who is a fan of chess but doesn't play. I once called Tony Rook at ChessFM and floored him when I told him that. In any case, I had a thought regarding the end of the game. Everyone has heard of spite checks, and I even see the name here. I think Black's 30th move could be called a spite capture. |
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| Apr-12-05 | | hintza: <OhioChessFan> Hi and welcome to <chessgames.com>! It's great that you decided to post! :-) |
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Oct-10-09
 | | GrahamClayton: <Jack21221>When I am about to be mated, I go ahead and let him do it. Jack21221,
I would be happy to let myself be mated if the checkmate was at the end of a King hunt. King hunts are pretty rare, so I would be happy to give my opponent the chance to finish such an attack off. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | LivBlockade: Wow! An early <OhioChessFan> post from nearly 20 years ago! |
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| Jan-28-25 | | mel gibson: That was a little bit tricky.
Stockfish 17 chooses a different ply and says mate in 23: 30. Qe3
(30. Qe3 (1.Qe3 Re8 2.Rxb6 Rxe3 3.Rxb7+ Ka8 4.fxe3 Ne5 5.Re7 f6 6.Rxh7 Kb8 7.Kh2
Kc8 8.Kg3 Kd8 9.h4 Ng6 10.Nb7+ Ke8 11.Nd6+ Kd8 12.h5 Nf8 13.Rf7 Nd7 14.h6
Kc7 15.Nc4 Kc6 16.h7 Nc5 17.h8Q Ne4+ 18.Kf4 Nd6 19.Qxf6 Kc5 20.Nxd6 Kb4
21.Qb2+ Kxa4 22.Rb7 a5 23.Qa1+) +M23/79 622)
White wins _ mate in 23.
If I force SF to play the game ply:
30. Qd4 Rc8
(30. .. Rc8 (1. ... Rc8 2.Rxb6 Nxb6 3.Kh2 Rc7 4.g4 Rc2 5.Qe3 Rc7 6.Nb3 a5 7.Qe5 Na8 8.Nd4 Kb8 9.Nb5 h6
10.Qd6 b6 11.Nxc7 Nxc7 12.Qxb6+ Kc8 13.Qxa5 Kd7 14.Qb4 Nd5 ) -84.27/43 1332) score for Black -84.27 depth 43 |
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| Jan-28-25 | | stone free or die: (A little piece of history) |
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| Jan-28-25 | | FM David H. Levin: I came up with the mundane 30. Qf5,
click for larger viewwhich seems to work also. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: The king's move is 30. Qe3 Qxe3 31. Rxb7#> Therefore, B has no good reply. 30... Rc8 31. Rxb6 Nxb6 32. Nb3 a5 33. Nc5 with ♕x ♖ end-game. |
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Jan-28-25
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: Is today the almost-20th-anniversary of <OCF'S> first post?! My oh my--how time flies... BTW, solved it, but Farago's quiet little killer is one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | saturn2: Qe3 or Qd4 and black loses the queen due to the epaulette mate Rb7++ |
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Jan-28-25
 | | Teyss: Typical case of cross-pin, you just need to move the WQ away from the BN. Didn't know if <Qe3> or <Qd4> was best, picked Qe3 succumbing to the old defence instinct since the f2 Pawn supports the Queen, which in this case is silly. It results being a Rook up after 30...Re8 31.Rxb6 Rxe3 32.Rxb7+ Ka8 33.fxe3 whilst 30.Qd4 results in Q vs R after 30...R~ 31.Rxb6 Nxb6. Didn't see 30...Re8 but if I had to choose again, would still go for 30.Qe3 as the endgame is simpler. BTW <Qf5> (which I didn't consider) as per <FM David H. Levin> also ends with Q vs R after 30...Qxb1+ 31.Qxb1. So all three moves could be considered as solve. Nice original puzzle as cross-pins are rare and the WQ only moves a few squares without check or sac. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | cocker: <Teyss> has said it all. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | TheaN: Cross-pin! I assumed this position arose after White played Rb1 establishing the cross-pin, and Black played Nd7 in a last ditch effort to remove one. <30.Qd4> and that effort's gone, the queen can no longer be attacked, and 30....QxQ was already impossible due to 31.Rxb7#. So Black will have to move the rook (knight allows Qxb6+ #1 and Kb8 Rxb6 +-): <30....Rc8> is surprisingly almost forced, as that prevents the knights from being traded straight away <31.Rxb6 Nxb6>:
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Though it seems like Black has a somewhat stable position, there's also not a lot to do because the knight's absolutely pinned, the king can't move because of that and the a-pawn's stuck, so Black can really just use the rook. I'd probably play <32.Kf1 +-> for that reason and just bring my king up. I don't think Qe3 or Qd4 differ much practically. 30.Qe3 actually allows 30....Re8?! where you do need to see the forced line 31.Rxb6 Rxe3 32.Rxb7+ Ka8 33.fxe3 +- and up a rook. I'd say 30.Qd4 Rc8 offers a bit more resistance, but Black's still completely stuck. |
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Jan-28-25
 | | chrisowen: I don't it's wu good it's ebbs it's punchy it's q look it's jazz it's Qd4 go doh it's axiom juggle it's ebd Qd4 be it's y x |
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| Jan-28-25 | | Tiggler: Ashamed about how long it took me to see this. |
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| Jan-28-25 | | stone free or die: <Tiggler> no shame there, it's not such a common exploitation. As for the problem, the alt 1.Qf5 (or rather 30.Qf5) spoils it a little, not involving the central theme. For a puzzle set I'd "cook" (modern day usage) the position like this: 
click for larger viewIt's a trifecta now, as the top-3 candidate moves come in "win, place, or lose". |
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Jan-28-25
 | | paulalbert: I went with Qe3 but thought Qd4 was also fine. Key: keep the pin in operation. |
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Jan-28-25
 | | dorsnikov: That was NOT Easy! |
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Jan-28-25
| | perfidious: Typical Tuesday POTD.
Hahahahaha! |
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Jan-28-25
 | | al wazir: After 30. Qd4, black can postpone mate for a short time by playing 30...Nc5: 31. Rxb6 Kxb6 32. Nc4+ Ka7 33. Qxc5 My move was 30. Qf5: 30...Qc7 (30...Qxb1+ 31. Qxb1 Rb8 32. Qxh7, etc.) 31. Rxb7+ Qxb7 32. Nxb7 Kxb7 33. Qxd7+, etc. Pretty much the same outcome as the line I gave above. |
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Jan-28-25
 | | Rocket Ron: Very odd to see winning move |
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| Jan-29-25 | | Halldor: I went for 30 Qf5!? and then stopped looking, so I didn't see the possibility of keeping the pin with Qd4 or Qe3. |
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| May-14-25 | | Saniyat24: Lost my Bjerring...! |
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