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George Salmon vs Imre Szabo
2nd BCA Congress, Birmingham (1858), Birmingham ENG, rd 1, Aug-24
Philidor Defense: Philidor Countergambit (C41)  ·  1-0

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Jul-20-09  tentsewang: I like the amazing trick by G. Salmon but i think his opponent had the game at the end. Why did his adversary gave up?
Jul-20-09  vonKrolock: The ♔ will move, and the white ♘ will take the black ♕ - this is called <"Knight Fork">
Jan-01-10  rustyrook: 7--dxe4 is an error. Better is 7--Bb4ch
if 8c3 then dxe. The difference is that black gets his King safe and gets an attack for his pawn.
Sep-17-10
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  Jonathan Sarfati: All the same, in the line 7... ♗b4+ 8. c3 dxe4 9.♕xd8+♔xd8 10.cxb4 ♗xe6 10.♘c3 ♘f6 11.♗g5, White has a clear advantage; he has the two ♗s, Black has trouble defending his ♙e4, and his ♔ can't castle and will face 0-0-0+ and prolongued trouble.
Mar-16-23  Baxer: Probably one of the worst played games I have seen someone play on this site (even when acknowledging the play of the 1850s).
Mar-16-23
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  perfidious: Fortunately for White, his opponent's play was fishy.
Mar-16-23
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  Sally Simpson: A wee bit harsh Baxer, these Victorian amateur players were pathfinders and their mistakes are guidelines for later players so we would not make the same mistakes.

3...f5 in the Philidor was a 50-50 opening back then. It was a pet line of Morphy but not everyone could play like Morphy. I'd hazard a guess that 3...f5 and maybe the next move was all black knew about this opening. Theory then in a lot of openings was still at it's suck and see stage.

And as for learning from the Victorians this is not always the case. Just one instance being that trap in the QGD.


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First seen on here in 1848 Mayet vs Harrwitz, 1848 is still catching amateur players today. It is one of those traps that nearly everyone will walk into first time around. Mikhail Ivashchenko vs M Lugovskoy, 2004

Mar-16-23  Baxer: <Sally> I agree, but I have seen Mr. Szabo (not to be confused with Lazslo) play better against even stronger competition i.e. Adolf Anderssen himself, and hold his own - this game he was losing out of the opening.

You're correct that the opening is indeed the theory of which I was already aware (except for 6...Bc5?! which is apparently also theory despite being a bad move that loses a pawn to 7. Nxe4!!)

I always am willing to give people of bygone eras credit - they have so much fewer resources than us, but black fell into basic tactics too.

Mr. Szabo made this Mr. Salmon (Not to be confused with the fish) look like Capablanca in as much as each of White's moves were very logical and strong (except for 11. Qxe4?, Qxc7 is better.) Don't even get me started on the Knight blunder.

And regarding the QGD position - that trap is one of the reasons I play the Nbd7 move, however, the amateurs I play all seem to have studied your 1848 classic and don't fall for it.

Mar-16-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Baxer,

I always give a nod to the loser in these games. Without them we not not see the sparklers that Morphy etc produced.

Imagine what games chess history would have given us if the players of yore were as good as today's players. No Evergreen, no Opera Game.... and all the cut and thrust miniatures.

We should salute these players. They lost games so we might marvel at the brilliant refutations to their moves and learn.

Mar-16-23
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  keypusher: <Baxer: Probably one of the worst played games I have seen someone play on this site (even when acknowledging the play of the 1850s).>

J S Mucklow vs H Kennedy, 1851

Kieseritzky vs Anderssen, 1851

I could go on...

Mar-17-23  Baxer: <keypusher> Wow that Muchlow game was pretty miserable indeed. Ra2? and Qa1! is a very hypermodernesque idea (not to say good).

I have seen that Kieseritzky game before, pretty funny to see a master (one of the best in the world at the time) blunder not only a pretty obvious mate in one but also his Queen with the same move!

Mar-17-23
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  perfidious: <Geoff....Imagine what games chess history would have given us if the players of yore were as good as today's players. No Evergreen, no Opera Game.... and all the cut and thrust miniatures....>

The improvement in defensive technique which began in Steinitz' time would have drastically changed things had it taken place even a quarter century earlier.

Mar-17-23  Baxer: <perfidious> <keypusher> <Sally>

<The improvement in defensive technique which began in Steinitz's time would have drastically changed things had it taken place even a quarter century earlier.>

I remember having a discussion and what was (apparently since I myself don't think of it as such) a hot take. The take is that I believe that 1870's+ Steinitz would have beaten/was better than Paul Morphy. Take into account the 2 decades' worth of extra "Theory - if you can call some of it that" and general chess understanding such as <perfidious> said formed from Steinitz himself plus the insane performance by Steinitz in his 1876 Match against J. H. Blackburne: 7+ 0= 0- Unfortunately Steinitz semi-retired for a few years before returning in the 1880s. (Paul Morphy himself died in 1884.)

I'm curious as to what other's on this site think of this.

Mar-17-23
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  Sally Simpson: Hi perfidious,

<The improvement in defensive technique which began in Steinitz' time would have drastically changed things had it taken place even a quarter century earlier.>

I recall doing an article (slightly tongue in cheek) that if the games between John Cochrane and Bonnerjee Mohishunder - https://www.chessgames.com/perl/che... had become more well known and studied than the so called hyper-modern school of the 1920's would have appeared in the 1860's.

See this game from1851 Cochrane vs Mohishunder, 1851 position after 6 moves.


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There are dozens of 1850's games between these two that you would think were played last week between 2000+ players.

But the columnists swamped the public with brilliance from play with moves like the game in this thread. The theme of my article being Morphy's arrival set back chess 50 years.

It was only later when I read Steinitz and Alekhine undermining Morphy's games that I may have hit upon a slight grain of truth. At least a point to debate.

Steinitz was of the opinion anyone could produced the overrated skittle game brilliancies pointing to the fact there were very few when he played a good player in a match game. (if I recall he cited just two)

Instead he praised Morphy's positional sense saying everyone had put him a high pedestal for all the wrong reasons because they did not understand chess. He made a good case but upset nearly everyone. (he did not write tongue cheek, he wrote with a hammer in his hand.)

I'd disagree about anyone being able to re-produce the Morphy gems. Yes nowadays but it took Morphy to shows us how to do it. IMO there is a definite gap in a players armoury if they have not had a good dose of Morphy.

Alekhine said basically the same but he too found himself in hot water after referring to some of Morphy's brilliancies as 'cheap' and 'rattles.' adding players caught up in this style never progressed beyond a hopeless romantic. (he himself was one at one time but outgrew it - see the 'Unknown Alekhine' by Reinfeld.)

He had his own 'ink war' with Znosko-Borovsky on this matter in 'Shakmatny Vestnik in 1914.'

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